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Pass, invite, game?

Poll: Take your pick: (43 member(s) have cast votes)

Take your pick:

  1. Pass (7 votes [16.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.28%

  2. Some game try (33 votes [76.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.74%

  3. Bid game (3 votes [6.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.98%

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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2008-August-28, 14:08

You hold:

♠xxx ♥AQxxx ♦Qxx ♣Qx

Partner opens 1♦ (standard), you bid 1♥ and partner raises to 2♥.

Now what?
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Posted 2008-August-28, 14:11

What is the form of game? I would bid 4H at imps vul and make some kind of invite at MP/imps NV.
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Posted 2008-August-28, 14:11

I'd make a game try. 3♦ if it shows I have 5♥, otherwise whatever game try is available in the system.

I might bid game if 2♥ showed 4♥.
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Posted 2008-August-28, 14:12

Echognome, on Aug 28 2008, 03:11 PM, said:

I might bid game if 2♥ showed 4♥.

Yeah I guess it's relevant how often partner raises with a 3 card heart suit in a balanced hand (if he has raised with 3 and an unbal hand I still like my hand a lot). My answer is assuming "normal" tendencies, that is...normal to me :P
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Posted 2008-August-28, 14:15

The actual hand was at IMPs, vulnerable. But I'm interested how the form of scoring effects people's choice too.
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Posted 2008-August-28, 14:25

I would want to stop short if partner could be a balanced min with 3, and I can find all that out. If I can't I'll just bid game.
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Posted 2008-August-28, 14:44

Game try.

Playing MP, you may convince me to pass.
The LTC count is 8, the Queens are indicating
a downgrade, partner showes a min, i.e. 7-8 LTC
count, given that you play strong NT, 8 is an real
option, hence 2 may be the limit.
Throw in regular 3 card raises, and you may have
made your case, ... playing MP.

Playing IMPs, I would not want to explain 2H+2,
even if I am convinced that it would be the long
time winner, may tell you something about me
and my complementaries.

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Posted 2008-August-28, 14:54

I think pard will bid game when it is right at all forms, and I don't feel the need to bid his hand for him. So a game try for me, but which one? If we have a Kokish available, I'd make that, otherwise I think I would try 3♦.
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Posted 2008-August-28, 15:17

KISS

3D
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Posted 2008-August-28, 15:23

mike777, on Aug 28 2008, 04:17 PM, said:

KISS

3D

Lol Wouldn't KISS dictate just bid game and try to make it, rather than make a game invitation that forces partner to evaluate, and one on which there isn't even complete consensus whether it's forcing or not?
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Posted 2008-August-28, 15:50

pclayton, on Aug 28 2008, 03:54 PM, said:

I think pard will bid game when it is right at all forms, and I don't feel the need to bid his hand for him. So a game try for me, but which one? If we have a Kokish available, I'd make that, otherwise I think I would try 3♦.

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Posted 2008-August-31, 13:38

About the whole "Vul @ IMPs" thing, surely partner knows it's Vul @ IMPs as well.

Game try for me.
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Posted 2008-August-31, 16:24

Gametry.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-August-31, 22:40

jdonn, on Aug 28 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

mike777, on Aug 28 2008, 04:17 PM, said:

KISS

3D

Lol Wouldn't KISS dictate just bid game and try to make it, rather than make a game invitation that forces partner to evaluate, and one on which there isn't even complete consensus whether it's forcing or not?

I have known since the "beginning of time" that zig-zag auction is forcing (them silent, 1D-1H-2H-3D). Surprised very much to hear jdonn think that there is no consensus whether it is forcing. Is the non-forcing idea something totally new?
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Posted 2008-August-31, 23:06

peachy, on Aug 31 2008, 11:40 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 28 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

mike777, on Aug 28 2008, 04:17 PM, said:

KISS

3D

Lol Wouldn't KISS dictate just bid game and try to make it, rather than make a game invitation that forces partner to evaluate, and one on which there isn't even complete consensus whether it's forcing or not?

I have known since the "beginning of time" that zig-zag auction is forcing (them silent, 1D-1H-2H-3D). Surprised very much to hear jdonn think that there is no consensus whether it is forcing. Is the non-forcing idea something totally new?

I have always believe forcing is standard, but past threads (and experience) show that not everyone agrees. In any case that wasn't really my point. He said "KISS" then chose the more complicated option.
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Posted 2008-September-01, 00:07

On the actual hand, I tried 3♥ (invite). Partner declined with:

♠A9xx ♥KJx ♦Kxxx ♣xx

I was fairly lucky to get out for down one. The hand passed out at the other table, lose three.
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Posted 2008-September-01, 00:13

awm, on Sep 1 2008, 01:07 AM, said:

On the actual hand, I tried 3♥ (invite). Partner declined with:

♠A9xx ♥KJx ♦Kxxx ♣xx

I was fairly lucky to get out for down one. The hand passed out at the other table, lose three.

Late night I bet I should not ask this but I do sigh.......
This is an honest question.


Is one d really standard expert opening in first seat?


Yes I know this is a fine lite opening bid...just wonder if otherwise standard opening.
I open this playing 2/1 =14 hcp but I do not think that is expert standard on bbo forums.
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Posted 2008-September-01, 00:16

mike777, on Sep 1 2008, 01:13 AM, said:

Is one d really standard expert opening?

I will say that I was somewhat disappointed with partner's hand, and that I would not have opened this hand in first chair playing 2/1. Note that if you add the ♦J to partner's hand then 3♥ has an outside shot at making and at least going down more than one is unlikely.

Hard to say what "standard expert" means of course.
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Posted 2008-September-01, 00:17

mike777, on Sep 1 2008, 08:13 AM, said:

awm, on Sep 1 2008, 01:07 AM, said:

On the actual hand, I tried 3♥ (invite). Partner declined with:

♠A9xx ♥KJx ♦Kxxx ♣xx

I was fairly lucky to get out for down one. The hand passed out at the other table, lose three.

Late night I bet I should not ask this but I do sigh.......
This is an honest question.


Is one d really standard expert opening in first seat?


Yes I know this is a fine lite opening bid...just wonder if otherwise standard opening.

No, it's not standard. It's a style question. Among experts there are light openers and solid openers. Helness-Helgemo would pass this, for example.

I'm far from in their league, but with my latter partner this was an obvious opening - 1♣ (2+) in our methods. With another previous partner, where we had a very solid opening style, this was far from an opening bid.
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Posted 2008-September-01, 00:19

This may be off topic if so ignore but playing lite opening:
1d=1h
1s=1nt(not good enough to invite)
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