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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-August-27, 12:33

IMPs, All White, Fourth Seat

KJ KJxxx KQTxxx void

(4) - P -(P) - ?
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Posted 2008-August-27, 12:43

Must say it...can't hold back...no willpower.... 4 NLM!
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Posted 2008-August-27, 12:52

4 - hey, that's a 4 loser hand, right!
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Posted 2008-August-27, 13:23

4h. Will run if doubled
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Posted 2008-August-27, 15:42

To start with we could either X, bid 4D, or 4H. I don't like double because my defense isn't great and partner might pass when they make, or down 1 when we can make a game. It is also a big mess if he bids 4S. 4D is safe, but will often miss our best game of 4H. I think I would just close my eyes and bid 4H and hope to catch some hearts with pard.
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Posted 2008-August-27, 16:00

Jlall, on Aug 27 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

To start with we could either X, bid 4D, or 4H. I don't like double because my defense isn't great and partner might pass when they make, or down 1 when we can make a game. It is also a big mess if he bids 4S. 4D is safe, but will often miss our best game of 4H. I think I would just close my eyes and bid 4H and hope to catch some hearts with pard.

if they double you there, do you run to 5d?
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Posted 2008-August-27, 16:05

matmat, on Aug 27 2008, 05:00 PM, said:

Jlall, on Aug 27 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

To start with we could either X, bid 4D, or 4H. I don't like double because my defense isn't great and partner might pass when they make, or down 1 when we can make a game. It is also a big mess if he bids 4S. 4D is safe, but will often miss our best game of 4H. I think I would just close my eyes and bid 4H and hope to catch some hearts with pard.

if they double you there, do you run to 5d?

Yes definitely.
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Posted 2008-August-27, 16:59

I would gamble 4.

If doubled, I would venture 5, but I'm curious what others think of a redouble. Perhaps in these auctions where we would have bid 'under duress', redouble should not be to play, but rather suggest a second place to play. Thoughts?
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Posted 2008-August-27, 17:00

I'll suggest it less subtly. Anyone for defining 4 as 5-5 diamonds and a major? The logic seems about the same as over slightly lower preempts, I'd be for it.
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Posted 2008-August-27, 17:08

pclayton, on Aug 27 2008, 05:59 PM, said:

I would gamble 4.

If doubled, I would venture 5, but I'm curious what others think of a redouble. Perhaps in these auctions where we would have bid 'under duress', redouble should not be to play, but rather suggest a second place to play. Thoughts?

Specifically the reds, because you could have doubled then pulled 4 to 4 with the majors? If that's the agreement, partner should be well-placed to decide whether to stick it out or try Door #2 at the 5-level; on the other hand, if it were "either other suit," you could bid 4 with the majors but longer hearts, or even the majors but a hand that doesn't want partner to convert.
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Posted 2008-August-27, 18:43

jdonn, on Aug 28 2008, 06:00 AM, said:

I'll suggest it less subtly. Anyone for defining 4 as 5-5 diamonds and a major? The logic seems about the same as over slightly lower preempts, I'd be for it.

I have played this for a long time. 4D for D and a M is what i would bid here.
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Posted 2008-August-27, 18:51

jdonn, on Aug 27 2008, 06:00 PM, said:

I'll suggest it less subtly. Anyone for defining 4 as 5-5 diamonds and a major?

no
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Posted 2008-August-27, 19:15

Jlall, on Aug 28 2008, 07:51 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 27 2008, 06:00 PM, said:

I'll suggest it less subtly. Anyone for defining 4 as 5-5 diamonds and a major?

no

Why not?
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Posted 2008-August-27, 19:34

The_Hog, on Aug 27 2008, 08:15 PM, said:

Jlall, on Aug 28 2008, 07:51 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 27 2008, 06:00 PM, said:

I'll suggest it less subtly. Anyone for defining 4 as 5-5 diamonds and a major?

no

Why not?

See one of the many other endless threads on this subject.
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Posted 2008-August-28, 01:02

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Must say it...can't hold back...no willpower.... 4 NLM
Agree 100%
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Posted 2008-August-28, 03:30

4h.....50 a trick yes?
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Posted 2008-August-28, 05:48

Ugly... dbl + pull spades to diamonds.
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Posted 2008-August-28, 08:21

When Roger asked me this question I said 4 and was upset about losing the hearts. Now I definitely like 4 better and pull to s if doubled.

As from the beginning, I don't like double.
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