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what does this mean? last call in the auction

Poll: What does 5C mean? (40 member(s) have cast votes)

What does 5C mean?

  1. Cue for spades (4 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  2. Strong club single-suiter (14 votes [35.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.00%

  3. Strong 'flexible' hand (e.g. 3136, 3046) (22 votes [55.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.00%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

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Posted 2008-August-25, 09:21

at the end of this auction:

(3♥) x (P) 4♠
(P) 5♣ ?
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Posted 2008-August-25, 09:26

Do you have agreements about
#1 4C after 3H (Non Leaping Michaels)?
#2 4NT instead of 5C?

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Posted 2008-August-25, 09:41

I voted for a strong, flexible hand. I think a big club single suiter can bid 4, 5 or even 6 clubs at the 1st round.

Further, there are three slam tries available in spades (4N, 5♥ and 5♠). Why do we need a 4th?

How else would you bid: ♠Ax ♥x ♦AQJx ♣AKJxxx?
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Posted 2008-August-25, 09:43

I think it's a strong ♣ single-suiter. It may indeed have tolerance for ♠s, etc, but it may be just a ♣ hand that is too good for a direct overcall.
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Posted 2008-August-25, 14:41

It's now 2008, don't we all know that this is a strong flexible hand by now? Yes that means you cannot just double with clubs and pray for partner to bid 3N when you have your stiff spade. That never happens anyways. I think a doubleton spade is definitely possible though even though 3 would be preferable (ie 2146).
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Posted 2008-August-25, 16:04

This has been discussed at length in the Bridge World and the consensus amongst that group (which is largely but not exclusively North American) is that 5♣ is a flexible hand, as per Justin's view. I don't know if European or other non-north americans have the same consensus.
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Posted 2008-August-26, 10:06

I'm European and I play it as strong and flexible as well.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-August-26, 12:41

han, on Aug 26 2008, 06:06 PM, said:

I'm European and I play it as strong and flexible as well.

Me too, and I live in Europe. B)
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Posted 2008-August-26, 12:45

My ancestors are from Europe and I play it as strong and flexible.
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Posted 2008-August-26, 12:59

I think the modern practice at this time is use the Dbl and bid over a preempt as strong-flexible, rather than single-suited-too-strong-for-overcall as done over a 1-of-a-suit opening
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Posted 2008-August-26, 13:17

I used to be in the strong and flexible camp, but now I'm heavier with less ability to handle different strains.

But, back to the hand. I agree with the others.
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