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#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2008-August-22, 03:48

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    (3♥) Pass (4♥)
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You and your opponents are going to Beijing for the Olympiad and this is a 'serious' practice match.

How close are you to taking some action?

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Posted 2008-August-22, 04:08

4♠ for me.

I am not passing with a singleton heart, 6 card spades and 2 aces, so my choices are 4♠ and double. Double will work better if nobody can make 10 tricks, or if partner has very short spades and a long minor. But, if we belong in 4♠ (either to make or as a save) we probably have to bid it now.

Anyway, I don't like pass, but can live with double or 4♠.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 04:32

4s too
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Posted 2008-August-22, 05:10

A smiling 4♠, realizing that this will go for a number often. I might pass if I felt RHO bid on overall hcp alone.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 05:48

Well I had this hand at the table and I bid 4♠, i thought that was fairly normal at the time, although i wondered about it more when i did my post-match analysis.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 06:45

I think I would bid 4♠ at the table.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 06:50

I agree with 655321 :lol:
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Posted 2008-August-22, 07:07

No idea, so for me 4S.

Good one for team discussion.

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Posted 2008-August-22, 07:20

I always thought that 4♥ was a transfer to Spades...
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Posted 2008-August-22, 12:28

hrothgar, on Aug 22 2008, 01:20 PM, said:

I always thought that 4♥ was a transfer to Spades...

And who's meant to alert this convention? :D
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Posted 2008-August-22, 14:42

Guess I am the first doubler :D This hand is very defensive with the aces-and-out to me so theres a more significant chance than usual that neither contract makes or that we go for a number vs nothing by bidding, and decreasing the chance that this is a double game swing hand.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 16:52

4♠ seems horribly committal. I'm going to need quite a lot from partner to make any game, and there's no particular reason to think they're making theirs - even if RHO is bidding to make, partner may have an unexpected trump trick, or maybe my aces are well-placed. RHO had to guess to some extent. Why assume that he got it right?

Double gives us more ways to get it right, but also more ways to get it wrong. It risks partner's bidding 5 of a minor when no one can make anything.

I'd pass.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 16:55

I think you just have to bid 4♠. Maybe it makes, maybe they make, maybe they push to 5 when they shouldn't.... or maybe it's a disaster. But I know I'm doing it.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 17:19

Color me yellow.

I'm going to use the PASS card.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 20:11

655321, on Aug 22 2008, 05:08 AM, said:

4♠ for me.

I am not passing with a singleton heart, 6 card spades and 2 aces, so my choices are 4♠ and double. Double will work better if nobody can make 10 tricks, or if partner has very short spades and a long minor. But, if we belong in 4♠ (either to make or as a save) we probably have to bid it now.

Anyway, I don't like pass, but can live with double or 4♠.

Nice post which I agree with. I just can't pass and somewhat prefer 4♠ to double.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 20:55

Pass, double and 4♠ could all be right on a given deal - and they could all be wrong. Sitting here in an armchair I lean towards double since the hand really only has aces - but I couldn't definitely say that would be the view I'd take at the table - seems quite close.
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Posted 2008-August-23, 01:17

NickRW, on Aug 23 2008, 02:55 AM, said:

Pass, double and 4♠ could all be right on a given deal - and they could all be wrong.  Sitting here in an armchair I lean towards double since the hand really only has aces - but I couldn't definitely say that would be the view I'd take at the table - seems quite close.

This reflected my view at the time - I thought it was a lot closer than the first few posters implied.

Anyhow on this hand 4♥ was going down one and 4♠ was going down more (BBO movie).
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Posted 2008-August-23, 09:36

4♠ I can understand but I would not like to lay this hand down in 5 of a minor.

I have a little defense and pard doesn't need much to set 4♥. All he really needs is a stiff spade which isn't too much to ask.
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Posted 2008-August-23, 15:18

pclayton, on Aug 23 2008, 10:36 AM, said:

4♠ I can understand but I would not like to lay this hand down in 5 of a minor.

I have a little defense and pard doesn't need much to set 4♥. All he really needs is a stiff spade which isn't too much to ask.

If partner has a stiff spade and a hand that is bidding 5m over 4H X I think he will make quite often. I also think that in general if partner bids 5m over my double and can't make then they will often have been making themselves. I guess I differ from the others because I do not see a 5m bid as a bad thing. Also partner will often bid 4S over our double when he has four of them and that is the huge gain vs passing imo.
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Posted 2008-August-25, 05:28

I must really suck at bridge, because I don't get bidding with this hand at all. Are we a passed hand? Did I miss that. If not, I can't bid with this hand. If we bid 4S or X with hand, what do we bid with stronger hands with the same shape, like AKxxxx x Axx Qxx, AKxxxx x AKx Qxx, etc? How is partner to gauge whether to continue on with goodies that could not take action over 3H?

For me, I won't take action with less than a sound opener, if not more.
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