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1NT = any non-game force without 3-card support
Over 1NT, the only other way to show clubs was 3♣, game-forcing.
Do you agree with 2♣? What do you do now?
Six-six: lots of tricks?
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Posted 2008-August-18, 04:34
1NT = any non-game force without 3-card support
Over 1NT, the only other way to show clubs was 3♣, game-forcing.
Do you agree with 2♣? What do you do now?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-August-18, 04:39
I agree with 2♣.
Now I bid 5♣. Because of the 2♣ bid, partner will know I have a hand with few HCP, but a lot of playing strenght.
Now I bid 5♣. Because of the 2♣ bid, partner will know I have a hand with few HCP, but a lot of playing strenght.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 04:41
Agree with 2♣.
5♣ now.
5♣ now.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 04:55
Partner didn't double 4♥ so he can't have much good ♥s and he can only have so many ♦s so he must have 2-3 card support in one of your suits. I agree with 5♣.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 05:22
No, I think I would have bid 3C.
Now it is 4S.
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Now it is 4S.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 05:48
Bidding 5♣ now takes us beyond our most likely making game.
Hence 4♠ is clear.
Partner should be able to work out this shows long clubs as how can i have a 2♣ bid previously and a 4♠ now without being highly distributional (and not almost one-suited like 7-4 where i would have opened 4♠ or rebid spades rather than clubs).
Hence 4♠ is clear.
Partner should be able to work out this shows long clubs as how can i have a 2♣ bid previously and a 4♠ now without being highly distributional (and not almost one-suited like 7-4 where i would have opened 4♠ or rebid spades rather than clubs).
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Posted 2008-August-18, 06:22
Disagree with 2C. I would've bid 3C which isn't GF but distributional sort of hand. Typical hand is a 5-5 and some concentrated values, but here I have 6-6 which should compensate it 
My style is to XX with strong hands.
But given that our constraints are 2C NF or 3C GF, I would bid 2C. After this auction, I now bid 4S.
My style is to XX with strong hands.But given that our constraints are 2C NF or 3C GF, I would bid 2C. After this auction, I now bid 4S.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 06:36
I don't like playing 3♣ as GF, but agree with 2♣. 4♠ should show this shapely hand now
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Posted 2008-August-18, 08:53
Of course 4S doesn't show 6 clubs, you must be joking.
3C on the last round should show distribution, not HCP strength but won't partner still expect better highcards than this? I think I would have bid it.
Now I'lll guess to bid 5C. It is easy to imagine taking 2 ore tricks in clubs than in spades, and if the opponents bid 5H then partner will be better placed over 5C then over 5S.
3C on the last round should show distribution, not HCP strength but won't partner still expect better highcards than this? I think I would have bid it.
Now I'lll guess to bid 5C. It is easy to imagine taking 2 ore tricks in clubs than in spades, and if the opponents bid 5H then partner will be better placed over 5C then over 5S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 09:06
I agree with Han. There is no way pard will take us for 6-6 if we bid 4♠. He will expect 7-4, maybe 7-5 or something like that. I don't buy the logic at all.
And pard is far more likely to have a few clubs than a few spades so for the sake of getting the shape across, I'm happily going to the 5-level.
With regards to the initial rebid problem, I've been giving it some thought and I'm still not sure what's right. If I was sure pard would take 3♣ as showing shape rather than strength then wtp. But 2♣ seems much safer planning to bid more ♣s later, so that's what I'll do.
And pard is far more likely to have a few clubs than a few spades so for the sake of getting the shape across, I'm happily going to the 5-level.
With regards to the initial rebid problem, I've been giving it some thought and I'm still not sure what's right. If I was sure pard would take 3♣ as showing shape rather than strength then wtp. But 2♣ seems much safer planning to bid more ♣s later, so that's what I'll do.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 09:11
I think partner would expect 6-5.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 09:32
gnasher, on Aug 18 2008, 02:34 AM, said:
Scoring: IMP
1♠ pass 1NT dbl
2♣ 4♥ pass pass
1♠ pass 1NT dbl
2♣ 4♥ pass pass
1NT = any non-game force without 3-card support
Over 1NT, the only other way to show clubs was 3♣, game-forcing.
Do you agree with 2♣? What do you do now?
Would 3♣ really have been GF? I would think xx starts strong sequences.
I will close my eyes and bids 5♣ and will greet the 1=3=7=2 dummy with disdain.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 09:36
gnasher, on Aug 18 2008, 05:34 AM, said:
Over 1NT, the only other way to show clubs was 3♣, game-forcing.
So what would 4C have been?
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Posted 2008-August-18, 09:39
pclayton, on Aug 18 2008, 04:32 PM, said:
Would 3♣ really have been GF?
Possibly not. This hand was held by my opponents, and I don't know actually know what their agreement was. The fact that they didn't bid 3♣ made me think 3♣ must be game-forcing, but I could well be wrong.
catch22, on Aug 18 2008, 04:36 PM, said:
So what would 4C have been?
Dunno. Again, I assumed from their failure to bid it that it would have been an autosplinter, or possibly just not discussed.
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... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-August-18, 14:02
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He will expect 7-4, maybe 7-5
I don't think if I was 7-4 I would bother to introduce a 4 card ♣ suit in this sequence, I would just choose an appropriate level in ♠s after RHO's double.
The problem with a 5 ♣ call now is it's very commital to strain. If partner has 2♠ we probably want to play in that suit. If he has a stiff ♠ there is a good chance we are beating 4♥ and may or may not be making 5♣.
If I choose to bid here it would definitely be 4♠ which I think should imply at least 5 ♣ for the reasons above.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 14:46
I like 4S, I think a lot of the time that partner has a stiff spade LHO is going to double (given RHOs takeout double, LHO will probably have 4 spades then too), and I think partner will have 2 spades a lot of the time anyways.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 14:50
Jlall, on Aug 18 2008, 09:46 PM, said:
I like 4S, I think a lot of the time that partner has a stiff spade LHO is going to double
Are you saying that if LHO doubles, you'll run to 5♣?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-August-18, 14:53
gnasher, on Aug 18 2008, 03:50 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 18 2008, 09:46 PM, said:
I like 4S, I think a lot of the time that partner has a stiff spade LHO is going to double
Are you saying that if LHO doubles, you'll run to 5♣?
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:01
Strange (to me at least) that, as far as I can tell, nobody asked "agree with 1S?".
Not saying I disagree with 1S, but easy to see how 1C could work better.
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Not saying I disagree with 1S, but easy to see how 1C could work better.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:06
fred, on Aug 18 2008, 04:01 PM, said:
Strange (to me at least) that, as far as I can tell, nobody asked "agree with 1S"?
Not saying I disagree with 1S, but easy to see how 1C could work better.
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Not saying I disagree with 1S, but easy to see how 1C could work better.
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Hi Fred,
Do you like flame wars or was the forum to silent
in the last couple of days?
I think the 1C openers got smashed, but now they
will come back, ...
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1♠ pass 1NT dbl
2♣ 4♥ pass pass