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The light brigade

Poll: Your call (40 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call

  1. Pass (7 votes [17.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.50%

  2. Double (22 votes [55.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.00%

  3. I would open the bidding (11 votes [27.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.50%

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#1 User is offline   nige1 

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Posted 2008-August-17, 17:21

Scoring: IMP

_P (4♥) _P (_P)
??

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Posted 2008-August-17, 17:54

26 zar points and four spades? Easy 1♣ opening bid.
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Posted 2008-August-17, 18:27

yep, double this.
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Posted 2008-August-17, 19:19

Double. So many ways for it to be right.
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Posted 2008-August-17, 19:28

double unless pard noticeably tanked
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Posted 2008-August-17, 19:40

Double. Having passed originally, I don't think passing out 4♥ with this hand is even a logical alternative.

I would open (at this vulnerability only), and still double 4♥ when it comes back.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-August-17, 21:03

655321, on Aug 17 2008, 08:40 PM, said:

Double.  Having passed originally, I don't think passing out 4♥ with this hand is even a logical alternative.

I would open (at this vulnerability only), and still double 4♥ when it comes back.

I think reopening X after opening is way too much and kinda ridiculous. If you can make anything partner would have Xed himself (which he can do much lighter when you have opened already), and LHO can bid 4M with much stronger hands as an overcaller than an opener. Doubling caters to partner having them beat and having a hand unsuitable to double immediately (ie heart values) but I can't think this is more likely than them just making possibly with overtricks.
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Posted 2008-August-17, 21:05

Easy double now. Good things can happen.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 03:57

Double seems fine now that your original pass limited your hand. It's not quite an opener for me, though I guess it depends on the system and partnership bidding style.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 05:20

Pass, and I am certainly not opening 1C.

I can be convinced, that double is better than pass,
but I would have passed, so pass it is.

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Posted 2008-August-18, 05:23

Pass originally. Dbl now but risky. Preempts work.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 08:07

Pass on the first round unless opening is systemic.
Double now seems completely obvious, what do you think the call shows if not (roughly) this hand?
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Posted 2008-August-18, 08:47

I would have opened this hand in a basic 2/1 system with my partner, but when I passed double seems like a clear action. Agree with the others, just too many ways for it to work out.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 09:37

655321, on Aug 17 2008, 08:40 PM, said:

I would open (at this vulnerability only), and still double 4♥ when it comes back.

Wow. Put that in your notes so you can shove it in the committee's face if partner tanks and tries to bar you! But certainly I double as a PH.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 09:49

jdonn, on Aug 18 2008, 10:37 AM, said:

655321, on Aug 17 2008, 08:40 PM, said:

I would open (at this vulnerability only), and still double 4♥ when it comes back.

Wow. Put that in your notes so you can shove it in the committee's face if partner tanks and tries to bar you! But certainly I double as a PH.

And when partner shotguns a pass and this hand checks it out?

This is a good hypothetical example of why committees have to be very wary of claims that "we always do ..." when the suggested action is far from "normal."
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Posted 2008-August-18, 10:37

[quote name='nige1' date='Aug 17 2008, 06:21 PM']
Scoring: IMP

We are told
"It was a team match (10 bards per session) and after North bid 4♥ East asked if it were the last board of the session. It was. He then said he hadn't noted the scores and asked for the official score sheet (scored by North). It was given to him and he proceeded to copy all of the scores. This took (estimate of NS) between 1-1/2 and 2 minutes. He then glanced at his hand again and passed. He had probably had about 20 seconds to look at his hand before he asked for the official score sheet."
The bidding continued
_P (4♥) _P (_P)
_X (_P) 4♠ (5♥)
_P (_P) _X (_P)
_P (XX) AP
4♥XX-2 = -600
NS call the director. Ruling?

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Posted 2008-August-18, 10:43

XX is a clear double shot. If they were so certain of making it, then what was the problem?

Without the XX, this one looks tough. I'd probably have to circulate the hand to determine if pass was an LA.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 11:14

jtfanclub, on Aug 18 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

XX is a clear double shot. If they were so certain of making it, then what was the problem?

Without the XX, this one looks tough. I'd probably have to circulate the hand to determine if pass was an LA.

It doesn't even seem to me like there was a hesitation, so I wouldn't make it to the part where I point out passing is not an LA.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 11:23

jdonn, on Aug 18 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

jtfanclub, on Aug 18 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

XX is a clear double shot.  If they were so certain of making it, then what was the problem?

Without the XX, this one looks tough.  I'd probably have to circulate the hand to determine if pass was an LA.

It doesn't even seem to me like there was a hesitation, so I wouldn't make it to the part where I point out passing is not an LA.

Uhm, East looked at his hand for 20 seconds before asking for the scores.
Even ignoring that, doesn't his action suggest that his choice might depend on the state of the match?
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Posted 2008-August-18, 11:28

cherdano, on Aug 18 2008, 12:23 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 18 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

jtfanclub, on Aug 18 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

XX is a clear double shot.  If they were so certain of making it, then what was the problem?

Without the XX, this one looks tough.  I'd probably have to circulate the hand to determine if pass was an LA.

It doesn't even seem to me like there was a hesitation, so I wouldn't make it to the part where I point out passing is not an LA.

Uhm, East looked at his hand for 20 seconds before asking for the scores.
Even ignoring that, doesn't his action suggest that his choice might depend on the state of the match?

Maybe it's not clear, it looks to me like that 20 seconds starts when the auction began, not when north bid 4♥. If it was after north opened that's a tough call since "probably about 20 seconds" will surely be claimed by EW to be the appropriate 10 or so seconds, and east's hand seems like such an easy pass over 4♥ to me that I would probably believe them. Although if this is the sort of game where north is opening 4♥ on that, then who the heck knows.

I am not influenced by anything else east did. His questions do not seem related to the current hand to me, just to his own curiosity. But maybe I have to be there.
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