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frequency of Squeezes How often do they come up

#1 User is offline   ArcLight 

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Posted 2008-August-14, 06:13

In Terence Reeses excellent book "Squeeze play made easy" he says there are squeeze possibilities of perhaps 1 in 6 hands (I'm not sure what is meant by "possibilities" - maybe defenders discard poorly, pseudo squeeze, alternative line of play)

In Mike Lawrences excellent software Counting at Bridge he estimate that squeezes occur in 1 out of 30 hands. He also says that simple squeezes make up the vast bulk of all squeezes.

1/6 (16%) is vey different from 1/30 (3.3%) even if both are approximations.

Roughly how often do squeezes occur?
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Posted 2008-August-14, 08:22

there is a substantial difference between a possible squeeze and an operating squeeze. Are you sure that is not what is meant here?
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Posted 2008-August-14, 08:31

My guess is that those 1/6 include squeezes that don't work (because the honours do not split as required by the squeeze) or are not played for by declarer, for example because an alternative line of play had better odds.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 09:51

On a club night you play 27 hands, so on average you declare 7 times. Of these 7 times, I usually have 1 or 2 hands where squeeze considerations come into play. So 1/6 doesn't sound strange.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 09:51

I would tend to believe 1 in 30 rather than 1 in 6. If it's 1 in 6, I've never ever seen such good odds on the hand records from my local club's duplicating machine.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 10:00

Hi,
I think at a local club, "pressure" adds up to as much extra tricks for me as operating squeezes. Pressure (or a light draft) leads to operating squeezes that never should have existed. So in a bad field, there are more squeezes.

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Posted 2008-August-14, 10:05

I don't think the statistics include pseudo-squeezes :blink:

I wonder if the frequency of squeezes and pseudosqueezes in actual play could be queried with BridgeBrowser ?
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Posted 2008-August-14, 10:18

Gerben42, on Aug 14 2008, 10:51 AM, said:

On a club night you play 27 hands, so on average you declare 7 times. Of these 7 times, I usually have 1 or 2 hands where squeeze considerations come into play. So 1/6 doesn't sound strange.

If I interprete your statement correct, 1 or 2 of the 7 hands
you are playing as declarer involve squeeze considerations,
I would say, this sounds like 1/6.

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Posted 2008-August-14, 10:26

It really depends on how you count them. There was a hand from two nights ago when my partner was in 3NT. He took a totally normal line, trying to do an avoidance play with Axx opposite K1098x to lose the lead into the safe hand, and when that failed he was still making with a key card onside, but went two off. Alternatively he could have cashed three winners in the suit led which would have triple-squeezed an opponent and allowed him to get out for one off instead. Only Deep Finesse would have taken this line (as it's playing for one off rather than to make) and DF would have been in 2NT.

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Playing in 3NT you receive a minor suit lead. After a heart to the king and ace (say) you will make 11 tricks on a simple squeeze if the same hand has 5 spades and 3 hearts. Pretty unlikely, but it might happen.

If you count both of these hands as 'possible squeezes' then I would say they are at least 1 in 6, possibly more often.

If you only count hands where declarer correctly decides to play for a squeeze, and is successful, then the occurrence is much less, maybe 1 in 30 is about right.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 10:27

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Posted 2008-August-14, 11:07

In Europe it's nearer to 8.9%, because we bid more than you do.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 11:55

gnasher, on Aug 14 2008, 12:07 PM, said:

In Europe it's nearer to 8.9%, because we bid more than you do.

I thought it was because we lead more aggressively and thus break up more squeezes :)
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Posted 2008-August-14, 12:16

helene_t, on Aug 14 2008, 11:05 AM, said:

I don't think the statistics include pseudo-squeezes :)

I wonder if the frequency of squeezes and pseudosqueezes in actual play could be queried with BridgeBrowser ?

probably not, but you could ask Stephen
problem is you can set constraints for hands, like 4-4 in majors and if you do a search it will only show you the hands that fit that criteria.

So most likely you would have to do a general search like say auction goes
1 3
4 First, then
do a search on the same auction where the defenders have specific holdings.

then divide the second by the first for %

might actually be easier to a simulation, then pick hands from simulator that fit for defenders hands.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 12:19

Having read "Bridge with the Blue Team", I can confirm that squeeze opportunities crop up on about 3/4 of all hands, and the opponents' cards are positioned right for the squeeze on about 90% of those.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 13:07

I think that what is important is how often a squeeze is the best line wheiter it work or not.

Most of the time a finesse will be as good or better than a squeeze so for me that is not pertinent even if the squeeze work and the finesse fail.

Often you are in a pretty hopeless contract and are looking for a lucky break even if the squeeze has little chance of working its pertinent because at the other table the guy might be in the same contract and find the squeeze possibility.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 13:13

I remember a top expert told me that squeezes are rare, but endplays come up quite frequently.

So if you want to improve, watch out for more endplays then squeezes.
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  Posted 2008-August-14, 13:27

EricK, on Aug 14 2008, 01:19 PM, said:

Having read "Bridge with the Blue Team", I can confirm that squeeze opportunities crop up on about 3/4 of all hands, and the opponents' cards are positioned right for the squeeze on about 90% of those.

LOL!

That was my take also on reading the book.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 14:00

From an independent source, "Adventures in Card play", I can confirm this statistic.
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Posted 2008-August-14, 14:14

I actually think both stats could be right.

I think there is a difference between a squeeze possibility and a squeeze.

Let's take a one-sided squeeze, one could say that a squeeze possibility existed on this hand if LHO holds both threat cards.

However, it is not actually a squeeze unless LHO does hold both threat cards.

So, there could be a 2-1 type ratio of possibility to actual squeezes.
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Posted 2008-August-15, 01:50

ArcLight, on Aug 14 2008, 02:13 PM, said:

"squeeze ***possibilities*** of perhaps 1 in 6 hands"

Sounds about right.
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