[kvkmak]

I gotta bring this up again. There's always 98% IMP in the Main Room. If you play MP for an hour, noone else has played the boards you've played. That sucks!!!!

Something needs to be done to even out the MP vs IMP!!!!!

[kvkmak]

Do the BridgeBase Online people monitor this board and ever comment on the suggestions???

[matmat]

kvkmak, on Aug 8 2008, 09:16 PM, said:

Do the BridgeBase Online people monitor this board and ever comment on the suggestions???

market forces

people want to play IMPs.

[TylerE]

I wonder how much of it is because IMPs is the defaults and many people will never bother to change it (Or even know how to...) Would be interesting to make it default to MP for a week and see the stats...

[TimG]

kvkmak, on Aug 8 2008, 09:16 PM, said:

Do the BridgeBase Online people monitor this board and ever comment on the suggestions???

Yes, you will often see responses from Fred and Uday.

[uday]

FWIW, I think it is bec. IMPs is the default, but I'm not positive.

[Dwingo]

If it is possible, BBO should try out something like switching defaults on a daily basis - All Odd Numbered date will be IMP and even numbered will be MP.

Run it for a month and collect feedback regarding player preference.

[jdonn]

Oy so much complication will never ever be popular with the masses. If someone wants to play matchpoints, set the table to matchpoints!

If it's not broke...

[kvkmak]

jdonn, on Aug 9 2008, 01:32 AM, said:

Oy so much complication will never ever be popular with the masses. If someone wants to play matchpoints, set the table to matchpoints!

If it's not broke...

I think it's because of the default. Most people who use computers get the bare minimum to work and then just live with it. They'd don't bother to look for options to make things more interesting or different or better. I also bet most people just use the Find Me a Table option.

[pigpenz]

kvkmak, on Aug 9 2008, 07:18 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 9 2008, 01:32 AM, said:

Oy so much complication will never ever be popular with the masses. If someone wants to play matchpoints, set the table to matchpoints!

If it's not broke...

I think it's because of the default. Most people who use computers get the bare minimum to work and then just live with it. They'd don't bother to look for options to make things more interesting or different or better. I also bet most people just use the Find Me a Table option.

I tend to agree, most people arent even aware of the choices...they just do the minimum to get started.

[BillHiggin]

I have seen other sites where the actual choice is less of a default. The overwhelming majority still choose IMP scoring. IMP scoring is more like bridge as we learn it (big rewards for games and slams). The MP option is there for those who want it. There is not really anything to fix.

[NickRW]

BillHiggin, on Aug 10 2008, 01:58 AM, said:

I have seen other sites where the actual choice is less of a default. The overwhelming majority still choose IMP scoring. IMP scoring is more like bridge as we learn it (big rewards for games and slams). The MP option is there for those who want it. There is not really anything to fix.

Well, you may be right of course. I'm not querying your information on that. But it seems weird to me. MP or BAM is a fairer way of scoring a relatively limited number of boards. IMPs, over a limited number of boards, is very prone to having one or two big boards affect the whole of the scoring with the rest effectively becoming irrelevant.

Nick

[helene_t]

When I played at StepBridge, where MP was default (but since there were less table options, it may have been more obvious that there was an alternative. Besides, lack of language barriere makes it more likely that people will notice) there were some 65% MP and 35% IMP I think.

Please don't change the defaults it will make a lot of people confused, and most dont care anyway. FWIW I prefer MP.

[P_Marlowe]

Regarding preference of IMP vs. MP:

Look at the number of Tournaments played with
MP scoring, and with IMP scoring, my impression
is, that there more tournaments with MP scoring.

Of course you may say, this is because the like
the same format as in the club.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[DocHelm]

uday, on Aug 9 2008, 12:18 AM, said:

FWIW, I think it is bec. IMPs is the default, but I'm not positive.

Personally I think it is because IMPS is the default, AND many players have no idea that IMPS and MPS are two very different games. Actually most of the systems played, ACOL, SAYC, 2/1 were designed for MP play...but no one seems to know this.

Ron

[bid_em_up]

P_Marlowe, on Aug 14 2008, 07:19 AM, said:

Regarding preference of IMP vs. MP:

Look at the number of Tournaments played with
MP scoring, and with IMP scoring, my impression
is, that there more tournaments with MP scoring.

I'm fairly positive that this is not true, there are many more imp tournaments than MP (and by a wide margin, unless I am seriously mistaken).

[uday]

In 2008, using only tourneys that used either imp/mp scoring

39% of all tourneys were MP
61% of all tourneys were IMP

However, if you look at the # of tables in these tourneys

56% of all tourney tables were MP
44% of all these tables were IMP

[NickRW]

DocHelm, on Aug 19 2008, 03:03 AM, said:

... Actually most of the systems played, ACOL, SAYC, 2/1 were designed for MP play...but no one seems to know this.

Ron

I'd agree that Acol, certainly as played these days, is very much a MP beast. SAYC is not my thing, but I guess it too performs at least adequately well in the same arena.

But 2/1 as a MP system? Seems to me that with many more low level GF sequences it is more a vehicle for exploring slams in particular - which seems to me to make it more oriented to the IMP game

Nick

[kvkmak]

uday, on Aug 19 2008, 03:21 PM, said:

In 2008, using only tourneys that used either imp/mp scoring

39% of all tourneys were MP
61% of all tourneys were IMP

However, if you look at the # of tables in these tourneys

56% of all tourney tables were MP
44% of all these tables were IMP

If those are the Tourney stats then it seems that the default in BBO doesn't reflect the rest of the world. Because of the default, tables here are 95-98% IMP. I'm willing to bet it's all because of the default. Most just hit find me a seat or start a table and that gets them into IMPs without even making a conscious decision. I bet more people would like MP if they'd just try it.

Still think there should be some way for the software to even up the default table mode a bit.

[babalu1997]

kvkmak, on Aug 23 2008, 08:30 PM, said:

If those are the Tourney stats then it seems that the default in BBO doesn't reflect the rest of the world. Because of the default, tables here are 95-98% IMP. I'm willing to bet it's all because of the default. Most just hit find me a seat or start a table and that gets them into IMPs without even making a conscious decision. I bet more people would like MP if they'd just try it.

Still think there should be some way for the software to even up the default table mode a bit.

I do not think it is the default. It is what people wnat to play.

Those of us who like matchpoint play will testify that we sit down and open our mp table, and, sometimes we get excellent opposition.

They will then ask us to change to imps, or will state that they will open another table with imps scoring and reserve for us.

Others are much less diplomatic, and state that:

"There is something wrong with the table, the scoring is matchpoints"

"We do not play rubber bridge"

The other day i saw a lonely player in a matchpoint table and I joined as opp. He was then joined by a very advanced imps player. The poor guy kept complaining to his partner concenring the bidding , defense strategy and card play which were not suitable for matchpoint play-- in reality I suspect that the imps player just joined the table because he is known to me and wanted to chat. the lonely guy eventually left.

The thing is, if you want to play matchpoints, just open your own table, or identifytds and tournaments that run matchpoint games.

I think to improve in bridge, one ought to learn the matchpoints game.