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#1 User is offline   twcho 

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Posted 2008-August-05, 06:30

Scoring: IMP


The bidding was:

W N E S
-   -  - 1
P 2  2 P
P 3  P 3
3 4  P 4
P 5  All P

NS is playing 2/1 GF. How can the auction be improved?
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Posted 2008-August-05, 06:38

Maybe South's 4 invites North to bid 6 with a heart control. And maybe North thought it was a suggestion to play 4 and therefore lost slam ambitions.

I am not so keen on the 4 bid which IMHO ought to show the ace. However, that was not the reason for the missed slam.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
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Posted 2008-August-05, 06:45

twcho, on Aug 5 2008, 07:30 AM, said:

<!-- NORTHSOUTH begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> SOUTH </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> E/W </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table border='1'> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> x </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> A </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> KJT9xx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KJT9x </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> Axxxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> xx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> Qxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> AQx </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- NORTHSOUTH end -->

The bidding was:

W N E S
-   -  - 1
P 2  2 P
P 3  P 3
3 4  P 4
P 5  All P

NS is playing 2/1 GF. How can the auction be improved?

very hard hand ....but:


edit:


1s=p=2d=(2h)
3d!=(3h)=4h!=p
5d!=p=6d


3d=natural does not promise extras
4h=rkc for clubs
5d=2 with queen.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 07:22

The auction was fine with the exception of 5D, over 4S, North should
key card, the 4S was a positive move toward slam, and denied a
heart control, what more does North need, given that he has a heart
control?

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: 4S can certainly constructed as a suggestion to play, although
with a 6 carder South would have bid 2S over 2H, and North did deny
primary support, so 4H is clearly a cue.
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2008-August-05, 08:20

I cannot blame South for not bidding over 5; what if North had held -- Qx AKJTxx KJT9x? Wouldn't he bid the same way?

4 is clearly not a suggestion to play here, as South didn't rebid spades over 2. I think North should figure out what's going on after that.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 09:20

If south had bid 3d over the 2h bid, showing support immediately, would it have become easier to bid the hand?
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Posted 2008-August-05, 09:26

personally I think 4 hearts instead of 4 clubs would get you there, you are in a game force auction and can still stop in the agreed diamond suit
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Posted 2008-August-05, 09:33

Agree with Sceptic.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 09:59

Although 4 would have worked, I disagree it was necessary.

South clearly made a slam try by bidding 4, indicating a control, not a place to play, as mentioned 2 would have been bid.

North has the A, which is obviously what is being looked for, so North can trot out whatever slam going bid he needs to. South can't move anywhere with a doubleton heart.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 10:46

This is a tough hand, and I don't think either player bid very poorly. North had a tough decision and chose to go conservative.

Give south a slightly different hand and everyone would be talking about how even the 5 level is not safe with North's hand, and that he is totally to blame for driving to a disastrous no play slam.
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