[fred]

Note that If your opponents are playing Precision then 1NT scores 100 and everything else scores 0 because:

- chances of West having real diamonds are greatly diminished
- even if he does, chances of East leading a diamond are greatly diminished

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[dburn]

fred, on Aug 1 2008, 09:25 PM, said:

Note that If your opponents are playing Precision then 1NT scores 100 and everything else scores 0 because:

- chances of West having real diamonds are greatly diminished
- even if he does, chances of East leading a diamond are greatly diminished

Well, on this occasion if he doesn't lead a diamond he will probably lead a spade, and that might not be so good for your side either. Only on rare occasions will he try a club from such as ♣Jx - "my LHO has the majors, my RHO has diamonds stopped, but what these fools do not know is that sometimes my partner opens 1♦ with a long club suit."

Not that this means I would not bid 1NT with the North hand - I would. After all, you can scarcely expect me of all people to violate the Law of Total Trumps by risking 2♣ on a possible 4-2 fit.

[hotShot]

Jlall, on Aug 2 2008, 02:49 AM, said:

Like it a lot less with 6432.

I don't like 6432 hands as well DIRECTOR!

[hotShot]

Jlall, on Aug 2 2008, 11:10 AM, said:

hotShot, on Aug 2 2008, 04:02 AM, said:

Jlall, on Aug 2 2008, 02:49 AM, said:

Like it a lot less with 6432.

I don't like 6432 hands as well DIRECTOR!

Not sure if this is a joke but obviously I was talking about 6432 of diamonds not 6432 shape...

Well if there are 15 cards in diamonds, I would call the director too.

[P_Marlowe]

P_Marlowe, on Aug 1 2008, 04:22 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Aug 1 2008, 04:18 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Aug 1 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Aug 1 2008, 04:13 PM, said:

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2) 1NT also lies about some values in DIAMONDS?!?!

Sure, but also tells something about the shape,
and 9xxx is ok as stopper, I would prefer 10xxx,
but 9xxx will do as well.

Of course 2C works pretty well on the given hand,
because our partner happens to hold 4 clubs, as it
is, clubs is the first suit he would lie, if he had too.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Partner could also have a singleton diamond too. I don't understand this argument, yes he could be 4432 even. Again you are thinking of the worst possible scenario and not the most common scenarios.

Partner holding a bal. hand should be pretty
common.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Thinking about my arguments, there is one point I
missed, and I am not aware it was already raise in
the previous posts:

The guy, who made the reoping t/o would bid 1NT
with lots of bal. hands in the 11/12-14 range ( or
11/12-16 range - take your pick), even without a
diamond stopper, the only exeption being 44 in the
majors, hence the likelihood that partner is really
short in diamond increases, and similar the likelihood
that he has at least 4 clubs increases.

With kind regards
Marlowe