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Valuation and Preferred Treatment

Poll: 1D - 1S; 2S - ? (43 member(s) have cast votes)

1D - 1S; 2S - ?

  1. Pass (4 votes [9.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.30%

  2. 2NT (Spade length and min/max ask) (5 votes [11.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.63%

  3. 2NT (Some other game try) (3 votes [6.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.98%

  4. 3[sp] (Non Forward Going/Preemptive) (3 votes [6.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.98%

  5. 3[sp] (Invitational) (14 votes [32.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.56%

  6. 4[sp] (12 votes [27.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.91%

  7. Other (Please explain) (2 votes [4.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.65%

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Posted 2008-July-31, 01:43

Does anybody think it is a good idea to try for 3NT from partner's side? Does anybody have a method to do so?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-31, 09:19

han, on Jul 31 2008, 02:43 AM, said:

Does anybody think it is a good idea to try for 3NT from partner's side? Does anybody have a method to do so?

Yes and no.
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Posted 2008-July-31, 09:43

For me, 3S asks for primes: A/K(primes) not Q/J(quacks) needed, so 3S. Expect 3 primes to go 4S.
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Posted 2008-July-31, 09:47

3♠ blame transfer
4♠ maybe, its a tough one
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Posted 2008-July-31, 14:25

gnasher, on Jul 31 2008, 07:39 PM, said:

Cascade, on Jul 31 2008, 01:21 AM, said:

Isn't there a flaw in that losing trick count argument.

Isn't there a flaw in all Losing Trick Count arguments?

When playing with a partner who was a strong advocate of LTC I discovered the major advantage of this system of evaluation.

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Posted 2008-July-31, 14:30

I have a good trick for that too. I just say "I had to bid this way because it seemed right to me". Partner rolls his eyes and on we go.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-31, 14:41

han, on Jul 31 2008, 10:43 AM, said:

Does anybody think it is a good idea to try for 3NT from partner's side? Does anybody have a method to do so?

I have the disturbing feeling that 3NT might be the best game, however, I have no idea how to intelligently explore it as a posisble game. Worse yet, I have the ugly feeling that exploring for 3NT might help the defense more than it helps us.

For what its worth, I normally play that 2NT is forcing, designed to explore for strain. Partner clarifies trump length

4♣+ = 4 card support, Club fragment
3N = 3 card support, little interest in a Moyisan
3♠ = 4 card Spade support and a minimum
3♥ = 3 Spades and short clubs
3♦ = 3 Spades and a minimum
3♣ = 3 Spades and short Hearts
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Posted 2008-July-31, 14:42

I can't remember the hands, but at our table my partner passed 2♠ and at the other table Bocchi bid 2♠ over 1♦ showing an invitational hand with 6♠ (at least that's what I think teammates heard it as). I remember having 4=3=4=2 or 4=2=4=3 14 count with Qxxx of spades (so wastage) and pretty good controls. I felt an invite of some kind was warranted, but just shrugged it off at the table.
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