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My partner bid 3C and we found SEVEN clubs. I thought he made a good bid. Not sure I would have made the same bid but I definitely will after this thread.
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Posted 2008-August-01, 19:55
I ran a simulation of 250 hands useing Deal Master Pro.
It looks like exploring the clubs slam (via 3C) is worthwhile) since you can stop at a safe level.
3NT = 98%
4NT = 88%
5NT = 64%
6NT = 25%
5C = 81%
6C = 40%
7C = 8%
The club slam is far less than NickRWs simulation.
Maybe its a factor of the X's. I chose a mixture, all less than 8.
It looks like exploring the clubs slam (via 3C) is worthwhile) since you can stop at a safe level.
3NT = 98%
4NT = 88%
5NT = 64%
6NT = 25%
5C = 81%
6C = 40%
7C = 8%
The club slam is far less than NickRWs simulation.
Maybe its a factor of the X's. I chose a mixture, all less than 8.
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Posted 2008-August-01, 20:10
Jlall, on Aug 1 2008, 07:43 PM, said:
My partner bid 3C and we found SEVEN clubs. I thought he made a good bid. Not sure I would have made the same bid but I definitely will after this thread.
Just for curiosity, what was the other hand and auction? Obviously a good one.
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Posted 2008-August-01, 20:15
kenrexford, on Aug 1 2008, 09:10 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 1 2008, 07:43 PM, said:
My partner bid 3C and we found SEVEN clubs. I thought he made a good bid. Not sure I would have made the same bid but I definitely will after this thread.
Just for curiosity, what was the other hand and auction? Obviously a good one.
I had the other aces and kings, 5 clubs (i showed the queen in keycard), and short spades.
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Posted 2008-August-01, 21:00
ArcLight, on Aug 2 2008, 01:55 AM, said:
I ran a simulation of 250 hands useing Deal Master Pro.
It looks like exploring the clubs slam (via 3C) is worthwhile) since you can stop at a safe level.
3NT = 98%
4NT = 88%
5NT = 64%
6NT = 25%
5C = 81%
6C = 40%
7C = 8%
The club slam is far less than NickRWs simulation.
Maybe its a factor of the X's. I chose a mixture, all less than 8.
It looks like exploring the clubs slam (via 3C) is worthwhile) since you can stop at a safe level.
3NT = 98%
4NT = 88%
5NT = 64%
6NT = 25%
5C = 81%
6C = 40%
7C = 8%
The club slam is far less than NickRWs simulation.
Maybe its a factor of the X's. I chose a mixture, all less than 8.
My choices for the Xs were all less than 8s as well. My sample was only 100 - so it could have been on the high side thanks to random effects. Perhaps the restriction I put on one of the defenders hand to simulate the lack of an overcall had an effect too.
Whatever... If partner is only going past 3N with fit and non min, or some such method, then it seems pretty safe to investigate anyhow.
Nick
"Pass is your friend" - my brother in law - who likes to bid a lot.
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Posted 2008-August-02, 11:27
Jlall, on Aug 1 2008, 09:15 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Aug 1 2008, 09:10 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 1 2008, 07:43 PM, said:
My partner bid 3C and we found SEVEN clubs. I thought he made a good bid. Not sure I would have made the same bid but I definitely will after this thread.
Just for curiosity, what was the other hand and auction? Obviously a good one.
I had the other aces and kings, 5 clubs (i showed the queen in keycard), and short spades.
How did you work out showing the shortness in spades (or showing the fragment from the other side)? Or, a WAG?
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."
-P.J. Painter.
-P.J. Painter.
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Posted 2008-August-02, 12:02
kenrexford, on Aug 2 2008, 12:27 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 1 2008, 09:15 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Aug 1 2008, 09:10 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 1 2008, 07:43 PM, said:
My partner bid 3C and we found SEVEN clubs. I thought he made a good bid. Not sure I would have made the same bid but I definitely will after this thread.
Just for curiosity, what was the other hand and auction? Obviously a good one.
I had the other aces and kings, 5 clubs (i showed the queen in keycard), and short spades.
How did you work out showing the shortness in spades (or showing the fragment from the other side)? Or, a WAG?
I raised to 4C. Partner just bid 4D keycard over this (presumably because 4C is a pretty strong statement at MP). I bid 5C, and he bid 5D. In reality I had something like A Kxx Axxx KJTxx so drove to 7C. If one of my hearts had been a spade I would have bid 5H, then 7 over 5S.
I'm sure this is not everyone's idea of a 1N opener but that is what I did and I feel that it's clearcut even. Han also opened 1N with these cards (14-16 also).
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Posted 2008-August-02, 13:06
The hands were:
Kxxx
Ax
Ax
Kxxxx
A
Kxx
Kxxx
AJ10xx
I also opened 1NT with the south hand.
Kxxx
Ax
Ax
Kxxxx
A
Kxx
Kxxx
AJ10xx
I also opened 1NT with the south hand.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-August-02, 13:07
Jlall, on Aug 2 2008, 01:02 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Aug 2 2008, 12:27 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 1 2008, 09:15 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Aug 1 2008, 09:10 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 1 2008, 07:43 PM, said:
My partner bid 3C and we found SEVEN clubs. I thought he made a good bid. Not sure I would have made the same bid but I definitely will after this thread.
Just for curiosity, what was the other hand and auction? Obviously a good one.
I had the other aces and kings, 5 clubs (i showed the queen in keycard), and short spades.
How did you work out showing the shortness in spades (or showing the fragment from the other side)? Or, a WAG?
I raised to 4C. Partner just bid 4D keycard over this (presumably because 4C is a pretty strong statement at MP). I bid 5C, and he bid 5D. In reality I had A Kxx Axxx KJTxx so drove to 7C. If one of my hearts had been a spade I would have bid 5H, then 7 over 5S.
I'm sure this is not everyone's idea of a 1N opener but that is what I did and I feel that it's clearcut even. Han also opened 1N with these cards (14-16 also).
That works. LOL
BTW, did I see correctly that Pratap claimed down 2 when he had a line for a three-trick set?
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."
-P.J. Painter.
-P.J. Painter.