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#1 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2008-July-29, 23:42

You hold KQxx Jxx Axx Kxx.

Starting with partner:

1D p 1S 2H
3S 4H 4S 5H
p p ?

You are red vs white at teams.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 23:45

Looks like a 30 point deck. I don't really think partner made a forcing pass, but he didn't saw them off either. I'm going big this time (since I tucked my tail and went home in the other thread). I'm debating between 6♦ and 6♠, but think I'll just go with the latter.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 23:48

I double.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-29, 23:50

Echognome, on Jul 30 2008, 12:45 AM, said:

I don't really think partner made a forcing pass,

Someone got my joke already! :)
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Posted 2008-July-29, 23:53

I'd hit it.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 06:41

I'd bid 5S.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 08:22

5♠


I think pard is 4144.
Pard bid at the 3 level, not the 4 level.

I credit the opps with making a good save.

For us to make 6 requires just 1 loser (presumably the heart).
He needs a stiff heart and all of:
S: A
D: K Q
C: A Q

(and maybe the spade J if they are 4-1 unless it can be finessed.
If pard has less, you can still make 6 if a finesse works.

To make 5 means 1 additional loser.

For a bid at the 3 level, I assume thats reasonable.

I think the opps are going for at least 300, and maybe 500.
5 hearts, and 3 spade ruffs, so lead hearts twice. Then 5H + 2 ruffs.

We take at least:
1 Spade, 4 dimes/clubs.

650 vs 300 or 500

650 is better but can you get it?

I think the odds are close enough that its worth bidding, even with this balances hand.
If you make 3/7 vs 500 you are around break even.
Vs 300 you need more.

I think 5S can make.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 08:30

Does 3♠ show a full-value raise? I usually use 3♥ as a high card raise, and 3♠ as something like a 4153 12-count.

Opposite a real raise, I'd have done something different on the round before. Opposite the weaker type, I'd bid 5♠.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-30, 10:16

Pass is forcing if you agree its forcing.

Gilbert held a very similar hand in the KOs on Friday in LV. He bid 5♠. I held a 4=1=5=3 - trump were 4-1 so I couldn't scramble 11.

I would double and I'm prepared to lose 3 or lose 8.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 12:22

Double since my shape stinks and I'm not totally convinced 5♠ is making.

If partner had really crazy distribution then he might have bid 4♠ instead of 3♠.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 13:52

I agree with gnasher's post
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Posted 2008-August-01, 18:36

Results: Han Xed, I thought 5S was the right call. My hand was AJTx x KQJTx Jxx or something. 5S would make and 5H went for 500.
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