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Posted 2008-July-27, 21:19
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-July-27, 21:35
1nt: 3 queens sway me.....close second choice 1s.
I remain convinced passing will not win on these types of deals.
I remain convinced passing will not win on these types of deals.
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Posted 2008-July-27, 21:35
1♠ and 1NT are both ok. However, vul vs not it seems less risky to bid 1♠.
That said, I'd still bid 1NT. I hate X-it's certainly not the shape for a takeout double.
That said, I'd still bid 1NT. I hate X-it's certainly not the shape for a takeout double.
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Posted 2008-July-27, 21:51
Pass. I can see 1♠ but not 1NT which has so little upside without a double stopper (i.e. 3NT won't work out) and a minimum hand besides.
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Posted 2008-July-27, 21:58
1♠. I would never pass. Of the others, 1N is preferable to double I think.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 00:15
I like 1NT.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 00:40
easy 1S for me. my 1Nt tend to suggest more 16-19 than 15-18
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-July-28, 01:57
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Posted 2008-July-28, 03:29
It just looks like a textbook pass red at imps opposite a passed hand. I can't see the point in bidding.
If you forced me to bid, I'd overcall 1NT.
If you forced me to bid, I'd overcall 1NT.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 03:46
Double.
I'm too cowardly to bid 1NT, and a 4-card overcall on a balanced hand with plenty of defence risks partner's overcompeting. I used to hate double on this sort of hand, but I've been converted.
I'm too cowardly to bid 1NT, and a 4-card overcall on a balanced hand with plenty of defence risks partner's overcompeting. I used to hate double on this sort of hand, but I've been converted.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-28, 03:55
I dislike 1♠ and Dbl. This is a 1NT hand. Except a 1NT overcall at unfavourable should be a good 15 up to 18 and this is a bad 15. I'm going to pass.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 04:41
gnasher, on Jul 28 2008, 10:46 AM, said:
I used to hate double on this sort of hand, but I've been converted.
Same here.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 08:02
1N for me would show something slightly better. I am not a convert to double, though I concede that it will often work out. As Frances suggests, pass is possible especially at IMPs, but I'm sure 1♠ would tempt me at the table.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 08:32
Pass.
It's more likely we will go for a number than miss game since partner is a PH and LHO is not.
It's more likely we will go for a number than miss game since partner is a PH and LHO is not.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 12:11
1♠ wtp?
I always overcall the major on these kinds of hands so that way I don't have to try to make some judgement call every time one comes up.
1NT is bad, imo. We've barely got 15 and stoppers when we might have 18+ etc.
I always overcall the major on these kinds of hands so that way I don't have to try to make some judgement call every time one comes up.
1NT is bad, imo. We've barely got 15 and stoppers when we might have 18+ etc.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 12:19
Obvious double to me, I hate 1N and pass, and just think 1S is inferior to doubling.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 12:51
Jlall, on Jul 28 2008, 01:19 PM, said:
Obvious double to me, I hate 1N and pass, and just think 1S is inferior to doubling.
I totally agree but I hate 1♠ too. If partner has four spades double gets you there, if not you probably don't want to play in spades. The risk of a 4-2 diamond fit is really very slight.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 13:48
1N is simply too rich for me: it is the call most likely to get us going for 800 or more (maybe a lot more)... it is so easy for LHO to double and for both opps to keep doubling. And the upside offered by 1N... an easy route to game opposite a good hand... is probably not there: this type of 15 count needs a lot of help... an average hand with, say, 10 hcp may be way too little, especially if he has Kx or Jxx in hearts as part of the 10 count.
1♠ is better: but this hand is not suited for a moysian.. I agree with the doublers on the point that double gets us to spades when we have a 4-4 fit...plus, we surely don't want partner competing (preemptively) to the 3-level just because he has some shape and 4 trump.
Pass: probably the best call. It avoids any numbers, and may lead to a small plus on defence. But it risks losing a lot of 5-6 imp swings.
Double is what is left.... I would be less inclined to double with 4=3=4=2, since there is a real risk of a 4-2 club fit, but there is less risk (not 'no risk') of that happening in diamonds, because with 4=4 in the minors, he may choose 2♣. OTOH, with 4=4 in the minors, he may choose 2♦ to allow himself a 3♣ call if I cuebid.
All told, I vote for pass at imps, with double a close second. 1♠ is my distant 3rd choice and I really dislke 1N.
1♠ is better: but this hand is not suited for a moysian.. I agree with the doublers on the point that double gets us to spades when we have a 4-4 fit...plus, we surely don't want partner competing (preemptively) to the 3-level just because he has some shape and 4 trump.
Pass: probably the best call. It avoids any numbers, and may lead to a small plus on defence. But it risks losing a lot of 5-6 imp swings.
Double is what is left.... I would be less inclined to double with 4=3=4=2, since there is a real risk of a 4-2 club fit, but there is less risk (not 'no risk') of that happening in diamonds, because with 4=4 in the minors, he may choose 2♣. OTOH, with 4=4 in the minors, he may choose 2♦ to allow himself a 3♣ call if I cuebid.
All told, I vote for pass at imps, with double a close second. 1♠ is my distant 3rd choice and I really dislke 1N.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 18:35
Im really surprised at all the differents answers here.
I really think that the 2 most dangerous call are
1-pass (chance of missing game is real) and chance of missing swing partscore.
2- 1Nt just too much chance to reach terrible Nt contract.
I think both 1S and X are quite safe unless partner compete further. However i dont really see any point in X instead of 1S. If partner compete further i much prefer him to bid 2S/3S over 2H/3H then to see him bid 3D over 2H.
The biggest upside of X over 1S is to be able to play 2C instead of 1S but since i dont expect to buy the hand at 2C i think 1S is superior.
I really think that the 2 most dangerous call are
1-pass (chance of missing game is real) and chance of missing swing partscore.
2- 1Nt just too much chance to reach terrible Nt contract.
I think both 1S and X are quite safe unless partner compete further. However i dont really see any point in X instead of 1S. If partner compete further i much prefer him to bid 2S/3S over 2H/3H then to see him bid 3D over 2H.
The biggest upside of X over 1S is to be able to play 2C instead of 1S but since i dont expect to buy the hand at 2C i think 1S is superior.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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