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Posted 2008-July-28, 08:38

♠K
♥Axx
♦AKxx
♣AKQxx

all red, imps

(4♠)-p-(p)-X
(p)-5♥-(p)-?

Agreement in use about the double is "takeout doubles thru 4♠"
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Posted 2008-July-28, 08:52

If double is specifically called takeout, then its even clearer to pass.

If double is 'optional' or something like that, slam is more likely to have a play.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 10:53

Saying it is clear to pass if the double is for takeout is a little strong. Partner is unlikely to leap to slam holding xx KQJTx xxx xxx or xx KQJxxx xx xxx. And slam could be cold with a slightly weaker heart suit if hearts break.

Slam could also be cold in clubs. Suppose partner bid 5♥ holding xxx KQJx xx xxxx. 5♥ could be in jeopardy, but 6♣ is cold on anything other than 4-0 clubs.

This is a hard problem. And it is pretty much a guess. That is why people preempt.
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Posted 2008-July-28, 16:14

I'd pass, but not easily.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 07:06

It's a bit tough, and it seems to boil down to how good of a suit partner's hearts are. Can't really make up my mind to pass or raise.. Given the 4S, possibly there will be bad breaks, so I guess that tips me to a pass.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 07:17

If they start with ♠A and continue spades, declarer can only finesse hearts over my RHO once. Say if RHO has Kxx or Qxxx.

I think it's close.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 09:48

helene_t, on Jul 29 2008, 08:17 AM, said:

If they start with ♠A and continue spades, declarer can only finesse hearts over my RHO once. Say if RHO has Kxx or Qxxx.

I think it's close.

This is an excellent point. I don't think this is obvious but I would pass, but raise with Axxx of hearts.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 10:16

jdonn, on Jul 29 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

helene_t, on Jul 29 2008, 08:17 AM, said:

If they start with ♠A and continue spades, declarer can only finesse hearts over my RHO once. Say if RHO has Kxx or Qxxx.

I think it's close.

This is an excellent point. I don't think this is obvious but I would pass, but raise with Axxx of hearts.

This was my feeling too, at the time.

I also thought bidding 5NT pick a slam might have some some merit in case partner has a hand like xx KQxxx xx J10xx, but I ultimately decided to pass on the hand.

Partner had ♠Qx ♥KQJxx ♦xx ♣xxxx I think.
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