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W: J8 Q974 2 KQJ642
E: AK643 AJ AKJ3 A7
Methods are 2/1. Please assume that E opens 2C in fourth seat.
Any thoughts ?
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Posted 2008-July-24, 19:02
extras, on Jul 24 2008, 07:28 PM, said:
Vul: they are, you're not.
W: J8 Q974 2 KQJ642
E: AK643 AJ AKJ3 A7
Methods are 2/1. Please assume that E opens 2C in fourth seat.
Any thoughts ?
W: J8 Q974 2 KQJ642
E: AK643 AJ AKJ3 A7
Methods are 2/1. Please assume that E opens 2C in fourth seat.
Any thoughts ?
IF forced to open 2c then:
2c=3c
3s=4c
4d!=4s!
4nt!=6c!
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2c=strong 4 loser hand with longmajor or 3 loser hand with long minor.
3c=excellent long clubs, top honors, max pass, rare bid.
3s=natural
4c=natural, maybe slammish, note went past 3nt for some reason....
4d=rkc for clubs
4s=1-4
4nt=queen of trump ask
6c=Q of C, deny outside K.
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Posted 2008-July-25, 09:22
If playing positive responses to 2♣, I think one could have the auction 2♣-3♣-3♠-4♣-4N-5♦-5♥-6♣-7♣
I think it would be more common to end in 6♣ though.
I think it would be more common to end in 6♣ though.
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Posted 2008-July-27, 13:34
mike777, on Jul 25 2008, 02:02 AM, said:
2c=3c
3s=4c
4d!
4d=rkc for clubs
3s=4c
4d!
4d=rkc for clubs
What would opener do over 4♣ with AKQ64 AK AKJ103 7 ?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-27, 15:16
gnasher, on Jul 27 2008, 02:34 PM, said:
mike777, on Jul 25 2008, 02:02 AM, said:
2c=3c
3s=4c
4d!
4d=rkc for clubs
3s=4c
4d!
4d=rkc for clubs
What would opener do over 4♣ with AKQ64 AK AKJ103 7 ?
One thing is for sure I cannot bid 4d as natural....given that this problem has never come up in 35 years...but bidding 4d as rkc has come up.....I can live with it.....
My best guess is I will still bid 4d as rkc for clubs.....may end up in 6nt......
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Posted 2008-July-28, 03:58
mike777, on Jul 27 2008, 10:16 PM, said:
One thing is for sure I cannot bid 4d as natural....given that this problem has never come up in 35 years
Given the auction to 4♣, I think it's quite common for opener to be two-suited. The fact that responder has enough high cards for a positive makes it less likely that opener's 2♣ was based purely on high cards, and therefore more likely that he is distributional.
The third hand from this thread:
http://forums.bridge...showtopic=26275
provides a real-life example.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-28, 06:26
I think what is popular is that a minor positive response show 6 carder with 2 of the top 3, its pretty much impossible to stop short of slam on this deal.
2C----3C
4C (extras k or A ?)-------4D no
4H Q of S?---------------4S no
5D Q of D ?--------------5H no
6C.
On a bad day 6S is going to make and 6C fail but the opposite is also true if i bid S and partner has 3 spades without the Q.
Ive really think that you need some sort of leaping michael to deal with 2 suiters after a 2C opening. These strong 5-5 happen all the time their frequency are way higher than any splinter you could have.
There is nothing more pathetic than
2C----2S (S pos)
3H----???
is a new suit natural or a cuebid agreeing H ?
2C-----3C
3S-----???
opener can have 6-5 and its going to be tough.
etc...
2C----3C
4C (extras k or A ?)-------4D no
4H Q of S?---------------4S no
5D Q of D ?--------------5H no
6C.
On a bad day 6S is going to make and 6C fail but the opposite is also true if i bid S and partner has 3 spades without the Q.
Ive really think that you need some sort of leaping michael to deal with 2 suiters after a 2C opening. These strong 5-5 happen all the time their frequency are way higher than any splinter you could have.
There is nothing more pathetic than
2C----2S (S pos)
3H----???
is a new suit natural or a cuebid agreeing H ?
2C-----3C
3S-----???
opener can have 6-5 and its going to be tough.
etc...
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Posted 2008-July-28, 12:39
extras, on Jul 24 2008, 07:28 PM, said:
Vul: they are, you're not.
W: J8 Q974 2 KQJ642
E: AK643 AJ AKJ3 A7
Methods are 2/1. Please assume that E opens 2C in fourth seat.
Any thoughts ?
W: J8 Q974 2 KQJ642
E: AK643 AJ AKJ3 A7
Methods are 2/1. Please assume that E opens 2C in fourth seat.
Any thoughts ?
Passe - 2C (1)
3C (2) - 4NT (3)
5D (4) - 5H (5)
6C (6) - Passe (7)
(1) artificial
(2) pos., showing a good suit, at least 6 cards, KQxxxx min
(3) RKCB
(4) 1KC
(5) Queen Ask + specific king ask
(6) no Queen and / or side king
(7) ... maybe I should have gone slower
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