[MickyB]

jillybean2, on Jul 23 2008, 07:53 AM, said:

2nt (jacoby) promises 4 for me, I do have AKx but no need to mislead my p.

I did bid 2♣ , (1♠:2♣ 3♣:4♠)

The opps cried foul, 'no alert' and all 3 said my bid was 2♦ as I had a real, 4 card suit; I understood I should have 5 for this, 10xxx looks terrible for a 2♦ bid. Isnt 2♣ the standard and yes, probably should be alerted.

The bid looks right to me, and occasionally bidding 2m on a three-card suit surely can't be alertable. Maybe the opps were annoyed because they had seen your sig

[hrothgar]

benlessard, on Jul 23 2008, 01:57 PM, said:

Ive never quite understood the reason for the 4th trump requirement. Of course i know that the 9 card fit is important when partner show a stiff and you can envision a dummy reversal. But knowing the singleton is important too even without dummy reversal.

There are two completely different issues here:

1. Is it reasonable to use a 2NT response as a game foricng raise that shows 3+ card trump support? (I wouldn't want to play this method, but your milage may vary)

2. If you have the agreement that a 2NT raise shows 4+ card support is it worth making an exception and bidding 2NT with this hand? (I think that this is a ludicrous suggestion)

[hrothgar]

dbsboy, on Jul 23 2008, 01:45 PM, said:

Let me try to analyze this hand. An analysis from the viewpoint of a beginner.

1. Its values are a bit soft

2. The honours are concentrated in the same suits.



This analysis is purely about what I think so I dont know if its correct or not. Its good because I am writing in the B/I forum, so nobody will say 'I am stating the obvious' or 'This is completely wrong'

1. You downgrade your hand a lot when partner has a singleton in you High-card-concentrated suit.

2. If your p has a singleton in your loser suit, you will upgrade your hand a lot because your partner is likely to have some high cards to protect your Queens and Jacks.

Its different from AXX AXX AXXX AXX because this hand works well against any short in partner's hand...



That's why I find 2NT an interesting bid because it helps me to find out parnter's shortness immediately, and I know how to react.

I am not saying 2NT is the right bid, but isn't it more important knowing what you are looking for, rather than only bidding according to textbooks?

Um...2NT has drawbacks. I can think of 2

1. 1S-2C-2D/2H-2S even serves a better purpose. Everything partner bids later shows his hand. And knowing that he has a 4 card suit is also important! (2NT shows 5-4-3-1 / 5-3-4-1 usually, and 3C shows 5-1-4-3 / 5-4-1-3) But 1S-2C-3C is not so clear...if I bid 3S (textbk bid?) I dont know what 4D is. In this case can 1S-2C-3C-3D help me check whether if p has H high cards?

2. Even if the auction goes 1S-2N-3D (shortness), there is no guarantee you can make slam. Your partner still needs something extra. But this tells me that if I have some more points in H/C I will definitely bid 2NT, despite my 3 card trump support.

Partner opened.
You have a flat hand.
No one overcalled.

This means that its quite likely that partner has a flat hand as well. Its fine and dandy to think about possible auctions if partner is able to show a singleton or a side suit. Personally, I'm expecting that partner is going to make some other rebid.

If partner makes a bid that asks rather than tells you're going to be very badly positioned.

[jtfanclub]

hrothgar, on Jul 23 2008, 05:55 AM, said:

Anyone else tempted to bid 3NT (meaning "I want to play 3NT")

Is that GCC legal?

[jillybean]

MickyB, on Jul 23 2008, 04:03 AM, said:

jillybean2, on Jul 23 2008, 07:53 AM, said:

2nt (jacoby) promises 4 for me, I do have AKx but no need to mislead my p.

I did bid 2♣ , (1♠:2♣  3♣:4♠)

The opps cried foul, 'no alert' and all 3 said my bid was 2♦ as I had a real, 4 card suit; I understood I should have 5 for this, 10xxx looks terrible for a 2♦ bid. Isnt 2♣ the standard and yes, probably should be alerted.

The bid looks right to me, and occasionally bidding 2m on a three-card suit surely can't be alertable. Maybe the opps were annoyed because they had seen your sig

Haha, well they should also know I constantly forget the rules

[Apollo81]

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