Posted 2004-March-29, 13:39
Well, of course you read your chat that you were angry they were kibitzing. I think, however, the chat you show comes across as if you are having a good laugh that they were there (at their expense as it was).
Let's see, you and aba made fun of them quite a few times, first that they are fansinated with you, second that they have their heads someplace inappropriate, third a joke about monkey's and light bulbs.
Now, maybe they were enjoying your comments as much as you appeared to be enjoying giving them. I think, had there been a yellow there, the location of the head comment might have brought at least a warning onto yourself. The chat log shows something else, which I was aware of, they could not respond to your comment (silent kibitzers). So I still say, the solution to the "problem" you brought up was a simple one. Request that they leave the table. I will make an assumption that such a request would have been followed quickly. So while you may have thought your comments were clear indications to leave, different people might interpret this as playful banner.
Another issue here, I think joking about cheating is not necessary a good thing. I think if someone suspected anyone of cheating, the way to check would be quiet examination of myhands record, not sit at the darn table during play. The rules state it is inappropriate to publically accuse people of cheating, and by proxy, you implied their presences was an indication that they were either suspecting or might be somehow accusing you of cheating. I think such actions should follow the same rules... that is, we shouldn't be quite so free with implying someone suspects someone else (even ourselves) of cheating. In so many ways, acccusing someone of cheating publicaly cheating is worse than cheating itself, so accusing some of accusing some one of cheating is probably a worse crime then too... :-)
But ok... I think this thread has gone on long enough. Two points has been made,
1) If a kibitizer is asked to leave a table, he really should,
2) In this specific instance, you nor your partner aske the kibitizers to leave.
So while your log supports the idea that you maybe not have been happy or comfortable with their watching, you never told them to leave. It was an open tournment, anyone could play in, anyone could kibitz, so until you or your partner revoked their right to be there, they could stay (at least imho...and with the caveat if uday had told one of them not to kibitz aba, then by gosh he should not have). I am locking this topic to prevent any further back and forth...we have to accept that cats and dogs will never get along....
If someone feels there is some pressing point that JUST HAS to be made, send it to me in PM. If it seems very germaine, I will open this topic again and let it be added. But enough is enough.
--Ben--