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1N or 2H

Poll: 1N or 2H (31 member(s) have cast votes)

1N or 2H

  1. 1N (5 votes [16.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.13%

  2. 2H (26 votes [83.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.87%

  3. something creative (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Apollo81 

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Posted 2008-July-23, 09:07

playing 2/1 obviously

everyone's favorite hand after a 1♠ opening:

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QJ10xx
AQxx
K9xx
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Posted 2008-July-23, 09:14

I'm going to game. I don't think it's that close. The ten of hearts really helps.
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Posted 2008-July-23, 09:16

me 2h :rolleyes: very good one indeed
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Posted 2008-July-23, 10:32

I think ill try 1Nt.

1S---1Nt
2S (show a minimum for me)

so ill pass.

1S----1Nt
2m------3H (or 3Nt)

show 5H and a fit in the minors.
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Posted 2008-July-23, 10:47

Is this a forcing or semi-forcing 1NT ?

I'm responding 1NT either way, but if pard rebids ♠s I'll settle for 2NT. If pard rebids a minor, I'll bid 3NT.
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Posted 2008-July-23, 11:58

2h if pard opens sound
1nt otherwise.
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Posted 2008-July-23, 12:03

benlessard, on Jul 23 2008, 12:32 PM, said:

1S----1Nt
2m------3H (or 3Nt)

show 5H and a fit in the minors.

That's not what that sequence shows. In fact you could have 6 or 7 hearts and a singleton in partner's minor.
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Posted 2008-July-23, 14:18

Apollo81, on Jul 23 2008, 01:03 PM, said:

benlessard, on Jul 23 2008, 12:32 PM, said:

1S----1Nt
2m------3H (or 3Nt)

show 5H and a fit in the minors.

That's not what that sequence shows. In fact you could have 6 or 7 hearts and a singleton in partner's minor.

GIB I think plays this sequence as a big fit for the minor saying absolutely nothing about hearts. The first time he pulled that I mean I was VERY surprised when dummy came down after a stupid auction.

Anyways. I'll go to game. I've got nothing to be ashamed. I'd make the same bid if you took away the ♥10 and gave me a stiff spade so I'm not going to cry over a void. I'm assuming IMPs.
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Posted 2008-July-23, 14:32

2♥, not close for me.
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Posted 2008-July-23, 14:32

2♥ , no question about it
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Posted 2008-July-23, 17:23

Agree with Jillybean
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Posted 2008-July-23, 18:27

The T of ♥ is nice card here so I will bid 2♥ and force game which I suspect to be 50/50 opposite PD's min's.
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Posted 2008-July-23, 20:38

2H, I don't get it
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Posted 2008-July-24, 00:55

jillybean is always right.
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Posted 2008-July-24, 01:34

benlessard, on Jul 23 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

I think ill try 1Nt.

1S---1Nt
2S (show a minimum for me)

so ill pass.

1S----1Nt
2m------3H (or 3Nt)

show 5H and a fit in the minors.

Why would you play in a suit in which opps have a fit, and go down when you need so little from your pard to make a game in 3NT or 4♥? Will your partner treat Kxxxx-Axx-J109-Ax as above minimal, and bid 2♦ with it?

Also, if it goes

1♠ - 1NT
3♠ - ?

wouldn't you regret you didn't mention your hearts earlier?
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Posted 2008-July-24, 06:34

I don't believe that no one yet didn't push ''something creative'', it sound very tempting :(
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Posted 2008-July-24, 16:17

For those that care about the actual deal, partner had a 6241 min and the last making contract was 3 or 4 diamonds.
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Posted 2008-July-24, 16:57

This is a nice hand, but the void in spades does not make it stronger, so I treat it as a limit hand.
1NT now, raise a minor and if partner happens to rebid hearts game is on.
If partner rebids spades, (yuk, but quite likely) I feel I have to pass.
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Posted 2008-July-24, 17:01

Apollo81, on Jul 24 2008, 05:17 PM, said:

For those that care about the actual deal, partner had a 6241 min and the last making contract was 3 or 4 diamonds.

Not surprising, the Forum does seem to tell us to open many minimum hcp hands with 6 cards suits but often fails to tell us what a 2/1 game force hand should be paired with that style.

Hope to see more posts with your theme, ty.
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Posted 2008-July-24, 23:16

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That's not what that sequence shows. In fact you could have 6 or 7 hearts and a singleton in partner's minor.
I never bid 3M invitationnal. To me its much better playing 3H as 5H and a fit in the minor. Like

1S-----1Nt
2D-----

here how likely youre going to have a hand with long H willing to play at the 3 level (in maybe a misfit) but not enough strong to GF ---VS a hand with D fit and 5 or 6H that you are willing to Gf (maybe stop in 4m if you prefer) ?

Not playing forcing Nt I even play that 3Nt = 5H a fit in the minor and a stopper in the other minor.

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Why would you play in a suit in which opps have a fit, and go down when you need so little from your pard to make a game in 3NT or 4♥? Will your partner treat Kxxxx-Axx-J109-Ax as above minimal, and bid 2♦ with it?


Its 2/1 so ive assume 1Nt forcing.
If we play forcing Nt the only time when we wont reach game is when partner got 6S and a minimum hand. (With 6S and non minimum we rebid a 3 card minor).
If we dont play 1Nt forcing then ill bid 2H and rebid 2Nt (not forcing) if that is available.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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