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Posted 2008-July-12, 15:10

skaeran, on Jul 12 2008, 07:10 AM, said:

So with 2047 you expect the diamonds to be 3-3-3 with the other three players?

What does it matter than I'm 2047? Surely the chance of diamonds breaking 3-3-3 is the same whether I'm 2047 or 3343?
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Posted 2008-July-12, 15:16

kenrexford, on Jul 11 2008, 06:49 PM, said:

Anyway, when you bid 2 as your reverse (after 1 normal stuff), what do you expect partner to bid with a GF hand if he has:

1. xxx in clubs, xxxx in diamonds
2. Kxx in clubs, xxxx in diamonds

I think it depends on his lengths in the other two suits. With 2443 he can hope for useful discards on the club suit, so should be inclined to raise diamonds. With 1543 there are unlikely to be any useful discards on clubs, so with good clubs and bad diamonds he should tend to raise clubs, in case diamond losers can be thrown on a major.
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Posted 2008-July-12, 17:58

Being a Brit I'm quite content and used to opening these high playing trick hands with whatever the appropriate two bid is.

However, given that 1m is tantamount to a forcing opening it seems the way the Americans and others play - well - it reasonable to not open at the two level if you play that way. With a Brit partner who is not used to responding on less than a 6 count I'd be too worried about the hand being passed out in 1m.

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Posted 2008-July-12, 18:05

NickRW, on Jul 12 2008, 06:58 PM, said:

Being a Brit I'm quite content and used to opening these high playing trick hands with whatever the appropriate two bid is.

However, given that 1m is tantamount to a forcing opening it seems the way the Americans and others play - well - it reasonable to not open at the two level if you play that way. With a Brit partner who is not used to responding on less than a 6 count I'd be too worried about the hand being passed out in 1m.

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If your partner has a pass of your 1C bid then one of your opponents is 100 % to bid even if your partner will pass with 0-5 HCP.
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Posted 2008-July-12, 18:13

Notwithstanding my nationality, I would open this hand 1. So, I expect, would everyone I play with.
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Posted 2008-July-12, 19:03

Jlall, on Jul 13 2008, 12:05 AM, said:

If your partner has a pass of your 1C bid then one of your opponents is 100 % to bid even if your partner will pass with 0-5 HCP.

Yes - probably - possibly you're not used to playing against the same LOLs that I do!

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Posted 2008-July-12, 21:14

Did it matter what the opening bid was? If it worked out well to open 1, or 2, or 6 on this particular hand, what conclusions are we supposed to draw that will improve our bridge in the future?

I mean, I would open 2 and hope for the best, although I am dismayed to find that Andy Bowles, Fred Gitelman and Eric Kokish would never play with me again if I did this. Not that they've ever played with me before, but a man can dream.
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Posted 2008-July-12, 21:35

Partner holds Ax KJxx xxxx Kxx.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 01:12

dburn, on Jul 13 2008, 04:14 AM, said:

I mean, I would open 2 and hope for the best, although I am dismayed to find that Andy Bowles, Fred Gitelman and Eric Kokish would never play with me again if I did this. Not that they've ever played with me before, but a man can dream.

I'm sorry to learn that our game at the Young Chelsea in the early 1990s was so unmemorable. I spent good money on the frame for the scorecard, too.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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