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responsive double responding to a Resp X at the 3 level

#1 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2008-July-11, 01:17

(2H)------X-------(3H)---------X (responsive)
(P)-------???

What is the minimal hoding to pass here.
What does 3S means here.
Is 4m forcing ?
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Posted 2008-July-11, 02:01

At IMPs, passing would be an unusual action. The most likely holding is probably xxx, in a strongish balanced hand that doubled 2♥ because it didn't have a heart stop. I don't think I'd pass 3♥x with a 42(43) shape.

At matchpoints against vulnerable opponents, I might pass with xx and a good defensive hand on which I wasn't willing to drive to game.

If the responsive double includes hands with four spades (I think it does), 3♠ just shows a four-card suit. If the responsive double denies four spades, 3♠ shows a strong 4-card suit.

4m is non-forcing. We could have a combined 20-count or even less.
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Posted 2008-July-11, 07:17

I believe the responsive double denies having 4 spades, if you have 4 spades you bid them (partner is supposed to have 4, usually). However, being this a double at the 2 and then 3 level, I'm not so sure of what I just said.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2008-July-11, 07:51

The classic meaning of the responsive double here would be values without 4 spades and a hand not suited for a 3NT call.

However, I know of at least one partnership which uses the double to indicate invitational values WITH 4 spades and a 3♠ bid to be merely competitive.

So, like all things of this nature, it is a matter of partnership agreement.
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Posted 2008-July-11, 08:51

I'll pass with a 3244 sometimes at IMPs. Double is 'cards'. Whether or not it denies 4♠'s is a matter of agreement.

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Posted 2008-July-11, 09:47

My default is to pass with a doubleton heart.
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