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Another double or overcall

Poll: Another double or overcall (26 member(s) have cast votes)

Another double or overcall

  1. 2H (16 votes [61.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 61.54%

  2. Dbl (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  3. pass (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

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#1 User is offline   shevek 

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Posted 2008-July-04, 20:18

Scoring: IMP

East opens 1♠

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Posted 2008-July-04, 20:56

not good enough for 2♥, too good to pass - double!
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Posted 2008-July-04, 21:25

2H, with this suit quality it is an easy decision.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 22:00

2H red is too dangerous for me. I would X but passing is ok too.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 01:50

Easy 2H bid. I don't understand doubling with a suit of this quality. As for pass, well....not in a serious game.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 03:54

2H, also very surprised to see votes for double. If you really don't want to bid 2H with a hand this light you should pass imo.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 04:16

han, on Jul 5 2008, 11:54 AM, said:

2H, also very surprised to see votes for double. If you really don't want to bid 2H with a hand this light you should pass imo.

I agree.
Those who DBL seem to imply that DBL promises less then 2H. I don't have that agreement.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 05:24

I would bid 2♥, but for me this is not obvious, and none of the 3 options are clearly wrong.

10HCP and a 5 card suit is not ideal for a vulnerable 2 level overcall. But, with a singleton spade, this hand does want to enter the auction. If the hearts and clubs were switched, I would double. But as a general rule, I bid a 5 card major in preference to doubling because double tends to miss the 5-3 fit. So, 2♥ for me, but reluctantly.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 06:39

shevek, on Jul 4 2008, 09:18 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

East opens 1♠

IMO _P = 10, _X = 8, 2♥ = 6.
Although the ♥9 is a good card, LHO may still hold ♥KTxx It's surprising that JLall & Co regard this as an easy vulnerable overcall.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 06:55

nige1, on Jul 5 2008, 06:39 AM, said:

shevek, on Jul 4 2008, 09:18 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

East opens 1♠

IMO _P = 10, _X = 8, 2♥ = 6.
Although the ♥9 is a good card, LHO may still hold ♥KTxx It's surprising that JLall & Co regard this as an easy vulnerable overcall.

For every time LHO has KTxx, there will be 2.3333 times where partner holds KTxx or Kxxx.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 10:46

2H, though a bit scary. Would certainly like a 6th heart, but can't have everything.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 10:49

2♥ certainly feels right. Doubling looks like taking a good idea too far. Passing looks like taking a bad idea too far!
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Posted 2008-July-05, 12:36

2♥, eek, but that's what it has to be.

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Posted 2008-July-05, 20:40

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there will be 2.3333 times where partner holds KTxx or Kxxx.
Yep but some KTxx or Kxxx will give you a bad result at 3H X -2 or 3. Plus the good result you get by hitting gold when partner got KTxx,kxxx might not compensate fully the bad result when you play 2Hx. Overcalling will often propelled you to an unmakable 3Nt or 4H even if your style is to overcall agressively. I think 2H is inferior to pass and to X but i have no big problem with it. But if you think its an easy and clearcut 2H bid i suggest you to play more MP than imps teams.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 20:44

jdonn, on Jul 5 2008, 11:49 AM, said:

2♥ certainly feels right. Doubling looks like taking a good idea too far. Passing looks like taking a bad idea too far!

Exactly what I was thinking, which means it must be time for my Thorazine.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 20:54

This thread is shocking to me, I really thought 2H would be unanimous.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 04:43

Easy 2♥, but close to a minimum overcall.

Double would never ever enter my mind - where does that idea come from?
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Posted 2008-July-07, 08:34

I happen to agree with JLall. If I am going to take a call, 2H. Why? Because I have hearts. Ok, let me look at suit quality? Where are all my points? In hearts, OK let's bid that.

Now, if you want to say I am too weak to make a 2/1 red overcall, I can live with that as well. I just hate the "usual" response, well double shows flexibility. Everyone seems to forget the other side of that equation.

When partner doesn't overcall, what is the right level to compete too? How am I going to bid 3/2 when I have only 3 hearts now? 1S-x-2S. No guarantee of an eight card fit.

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Posted 2008-July-07, 09:02

2♥. Only alternative is pass. Double is not an option.

I have hearts. Why would I not bid 2♥ (assuming I am not going to pass)?
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