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Overcall or Double? general question

Poll: What's your preference? (33 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your preference?

  1. Always bid hearts (19 votes [57.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.58%

  2. Bid hearts unless suit quality is really bad (13 votes [39.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.39%

  3. Double unless hearts are very strong (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Always double (1 votes [3.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.03%

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Posted 2008-June-29, 11:15

Suppose you hold 3-5-2-3 shape and 11-16 hcp. For the poll, assume that opponents have opened 1♦ natural. Do you bid hearts or double?

Does your opinion change if the opponents open 2♦ (weak, natural) and you hold the same hand?
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Posted 2008-June-29, 11:28

I will normally bid hearts if I take any action at all.

Over a weak 2♦ opening, many 11-16 HCP hands with a heart suit are not good enough to take an action in direct seat (IMO).

Quite frankly, this question has to be answered on a case-by-case basis, and not in the abstract.
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Posted 2008-June-29, 12:01

I would always bid 1H over 1D, over 2D I might double depending on honor structure.
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Posted 2008-June-29, 12:04

I think I would always overcall, even on KQx xxxxx Ax AKx.
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Posted 2008-June-29, 12:26

jdonn, on Jun 29 2008, 01:04 PM, said:

I think I would always overcall, even on KQx xxxxx Ax AKx.

would you overcall on Kxx xxxxx Kx KQx?
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Posted 2008-June-29, 12:51

I think the discussion in this thread indicate that you're going to get a nearly unanimous vote for a heart overcall.
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Posted 2008-June-29, 13:42

jdonn, on Jun 29 2008, 01:04 PM, said:

I think I would always overcall, even on KQx xxxxx Ax AKx.

1NT on that, for me. Most of the time, 1♥ makes sense. But, when you have 15-17 and four baby hearts, with a stopper, that seems to merit 1NT instead.
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Posted 2008-June-29, 14:43

kenrexford, on Jun 29 2008, 02:42 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jun 29 2008, 01:04 PM, said:

I think I would always overcall, even on KQx xxxxx Ax AKx.

1NT on that, for me. Most of the time, 1♥ makes sense. But, when you have 15-17 and four baby hearts, with a stopper, that seems to merit 1NT instead.

That's 5 baby hearts, and I hate Ax for a 1NT overcall.

I think I would overcall 1♥ on Kxx xxxxx Kx KQx too. The suit quality is not important to me except when I'm both light and balanced, but I barely don't consider this hand light.
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Posted 2008-June-29, 19:50

jdonn, on Jun 29 2008, 03:43 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Jun 29 2008, 02:42 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jun 29 2008, 01:04 PM, said:

I think I would always overcall, even on KQx xxxxx Ax AKx.

1NT on that, for me. Most of the time, 1♥ makes sense. But, when you have 15-17 and four baby hearts, with a stopper, that seems to merit 1NT instead.

That's 5 baby hearts, and I hate Ax for a 1NT overcall.

I think I would overcall 1♥ on Kxx xxxxx Kx KQx too. The suit quality is not important to me except when I'm both light and balanced, but I barely don't consider this hand light.

Five baby hearts doesn't get credit for five. LOL

The second one I'd overcall 1♥ also. ♠Kxx ♥xxxxx ♦Kx ♣KQx, that is. I'm opening strength, with three spades and a diamond stopper. Those three are enough to outweigh the fact that my suit sucks. Plus, I don't have an appealing alternative (like 1NT).
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