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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-June-25, 02:08

xxx
AQxx
Tx
A9xx

IMPS red on red, two passes and RHO opens 1♦ precision to you, X would be a real t/o X (i.e. promising clubs also). What would you change in this hand/vulnerability to change your action from p to X or X to p?
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Posted 2008-June-25, 02:09

I Would X with a jack in a round suit, or the SQ, or the DK, or if one of my diamonds was a spade.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 02:51

Where is your option for a 1H overcall? Close to a X but I would prefer to at least hold the SJ for this.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 02:56

sorry I'm not interested in 1♥
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Posted 2008-June-25, 03:22

My answer is pretty much Justin's. The hand would need to be a little bit better. And the more perfect the distribution the lighter I'm doubling.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-25, 03:23

Pass, I am not so interested in fighting for the partscore at red/red IMPs without spade length. Make it ♣Q stronger or such and I double.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 06:25

I would want an extra Jack anywhere except in D's, or move a small diamond to a small spade.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 06:30

Missed it by that much.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 08:35

Jlall, on Jun 25 2008, 03:09 AM, said:

I Would X with a jack in a round suit, or the SQ, or the DK, or if one of my diamonds was a spade.

How about

xxxx
AQx
Tx
A9xx

or

xxxx
AQxx
Tx
A9x

?
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Posted 2008-June-25, 08:50

Jlall, on Jun 25 2008, 03:09 AM, said:

I Would X with a jack in a round suit, or the SQ, or the DK, or if one of my diamonds was a spade.

Wow, the man famous for 4333 doubles declines on a 3424.

I think you're getting old, Justin. :P

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Posted 2008-June-25, 09:34

xxxx
AQx
Tx
A9xx

This hand is worse, not better.

xxxx
AQxx
Tx
A9x

This hand is also worse but it does have both majors. Still a clear pass I think.

As for JT, it seems consistent to me to double both on xxxx AQxx x A9xx and Kxxx AQx xxx A9x but to pass with xxx AQxx 10x A9xx.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-25, 09:37

han, on Jun 25 2008, 10:34 AM, said:

As for JT

It was just a joke, I swear.

(Yes, I understand the difference in hcp between his 4333 X and this hand).
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Posted 2008-June-25, 10:14

han, on Jun 25 2008, 10:34 AM, said:

xxxx
AQx
Tx
A9xx

This hand is worse, not better.

xxxx
AQxx
Tx
A9x

This hand is also worse but it does have both majors. Still a clear pass I think.

Yes, both are worse than the original hand, but I wondered if 43 rather than 34 in the majors made a difference and further whether 44 in the majors would make a difference.

Maybe I should have tried:

AQxx
xxx
Tx
A9xx

and

A9xx
AQxx
Tx
xxx
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Posted 2008-June-25, 10:39

AQxx
xxx
Tx
A9xx

You must be really good if you double with this hand and pass with the original. To my simple mind they are equivalent.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-June-25, 10:46

han, on Jun 25 2008, 11:39 AM, said:

AQxx
xxx
Tx
A9xx

You must be really good if you double with this hand and pass with the original. To my simple mind they are equivalent.

Nope, I don't. But, I was wondering if there was some subtlety with 43 vs 34 that I was missing. I guess if I am missing it, I am not alone!
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Posted 2008-June-25, 13:07

TimG, on Jun 25 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

A9xx
AQxx
Tx
xxx

This one is really tempting for me, but I don't think I would do it at imps r/r. Definitely at like MP NV though.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 15:11

Jlall, on Jun 25 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

TimG, on Jun 25 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

A9xx
AQxx
Tx
xxx

This one is really tempting for me, but I don't think I would do it at imps r/r. Definitely at like MP NV though.

I would double with this one.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 21:12

I would not double with this, or pretty much any of the examples presented. What's wrong with actually having standards that don't decline every time I hold a hand which doesn't quite reach them?
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Posted 2008-June-25, 21:26

jdonn, on Jun 25 2008, 10:12 PM, said:

I would not double with this, or pretty much any of the examples presented. What's wrong with actually having standards that don't decline every time I hold a hand which doesn't quite reach them?

Isn't 4432 with a very good 11 (ie perfect honor structure) or most 12s (ie those without wastage in the enemy suits), or 4441 with 10 and good quick tricks about normal for standards in modern expert bridge? Anyways, if you read OP he was trying to figure out what our standards are, so what are yours?
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