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Fantunes problem Maybe relevant for other systems too

Poll: Your call? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Pass (11 votes [37.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.93%

  2. Dbl (14 votes [48.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.28%

  3. 3NT (4 votes [13.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.79%

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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2008-June-23, 02:50

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You open 1♣, showing a good 13+ with ♣ or a 15+ balanced hand. Since your 2NT opening bid is 21-22, this hand doesn't qualify.

1♣ (2♥) p (3♥) to you.

Would you bid differently if 1♣ was 16+, Precision or "SAYC-ish with a 21-22 2N-opening"?
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Posted 2008-June-23, 03:59

The question is what partner's pass denies. Playing standard I would try 3NT. Playing precision I would pass.

I have no experience with Fantunes so should probably not have voted. I voted pass, though. I am certainly not going to double with this shape but 3NT is an option.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 05:45

Hi,

it is either pass or double, I would go with double,
but it may not work out.

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Posted 2008-June-23, 05:47

This is another reason why I'm glad to play 19+ to 21 openings of 2NT.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 08:46

I voted for pass with my flat shape, somewhat unhappily. I'd be happy to pass in a precision context since partner with 8+ would have acted over 2♥ so if we miss game it would be a narrow one and maybe 3N can't make if we don't have enough tricks/stoppers.
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Posted 2008-June-23, 10:09

Wow, it's even. I X.

I have 3 hearts, opps probably have 9 so partner should have somewhere to run to, if he has no defense. If he has any defense at all I think we can set this bad boy.

With one fewer point (except changing the K of hearts to the Q, which would improve the hand) I would definitely pass in Precision, and I don't know in Standard American. But I think I can count on this hand for four tricks on defense.
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Posted 2008-June-24, 08:16

At least an ace+ over minimum must act on his own.
Min to min+Q/K lets partner decide quite aware of combined assets.
Would partner's 6 have already acted? I hope for 4 useful.
Double, expect 3S from partner often just to stay below 3NT.
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Posted 2008-June-24, 10:37

nice 2NT opening wtp ? looks like 21 to me :rolleyes:

contraty to what is stated in another of your posts think these hands (17-19 or 18-19 or 18-20 depending on system)cause a lot of pain in competition . you should not bid twice with them but you run the risk of being stolen blind . That's why I think having a 2C or 2D for these hands makes sense. If not follow your table feel pass if a reasonnable mood NT otherwise
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Posted 2008-June-24, 10:54

Gerben42, on Jun 23 2008, 03:50 AM, said:

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You open 1♣, showing a good 13+ with ♣ or a 15+ balanced hand. Since your 2NT opening bid is 21-22, this hand doesn't qualify.

1♣ (2♥) p (3♥) to you.

Would you bid differently if 1♣ was 16+, Precision or "SAYC-ish with a 21-22 2N-opening"?

What are your methods over 2H?

In my strong club methods, x of 2H is takeout and only promises around 5 HCP. So I would pass here.

Here I would still be bidding over it as if partner is 15-17 balanced. Partner decided to not compete over 2H opposite 15-17. I am one trick stronger, but we are 1 trick higher, so if partner is right, we can't make anything above 3H.

I pass.
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Posted 2008-June-24, 11:56

Our agreements are Lebensohl and negative double in this situation. Since partner is at least a Queen stronger than a normal min. opening, responder can bid with less than "standard".
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