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I would open, although I would feel a little queasy as I set down this dummy in 2N.
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Posted 2008-June-24, 18:31
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Posted 2008-June-25, 01:14
I opened, partner played 2♥ in a 4-3 and went down 1 (he might have made it), 3♦ by opps was ice cold.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 18:23
You don't sound convinced about our advice to open this hand!
It is true that there will be some hands that don't work out too well, but I ran a sim on this one and the majority of hands look like being some sort of plus for NS with quite a number of games in the mix too.
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It is true that there will be some hands that don't work out too well, but I ran a sim on this one and the majority of hands look like being some sort of plus for NS with quite a number of games in the mix too.
Nick
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Posted 2008-June-25, 19:44
I'd pass.
I think Fromage points are a bit cheesy. By the way, he has it wromg anyway, its 15 not 14 casino points, (or Pearson as some call them), that are needed for an opening.
I think Fromage points are a bit cheesy. By the way, he has it wromg anyway, its 15 not 14 casino points, (or Pearson as some call them), that are needed for an opening.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 21:47
The_Hog, on Jun 26 2008, 01:44 AM, said:
I'd pass.
I think Fromage points are a bit cheesy. By the way, he has it wromg anyway, its 15 not 14 casino points, (or Pearson as some call them), that are needed for an opening.
I think Fromage points are a bit cheesy. By the way, he has it wromg anyway, its 15 not 14 casino points, (or Pearson as some call them), that are needed for an opening.
Its cansino, with an "N". After Jonathan Cansino who died less than 2 years ago and whose bridge career was cut short in '73 at the age of 34 or so when he suffered from a brain tumour.
I don't know where 15 points came from. I read about this count in the 70s and it was 14 points back then. It seems that modern bidders are getting more conservative.
"Pass is your friend" - my brother in law - who likes to bid a lot.
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gwnn, on Jun 25 2008, 02:14 AM, said:
I opened, partner played 2♥ in a 4-3 and went down 1 (he might have made it), 3♦ by opps was ice cold.
Partner went down in a contract he might have made. Tell partners not to do that
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Posted 2008-June-25, 22:09
NickRW, on Jun 25 2008, 10:47 PM, said:
The_Hog, on Jun 26 2008, 01:44 AM, said:
I'd pass.
I think Fromage points are a bit cheesy. By the way, he has it wromg anyway, its 15 not 14 casino points, (or Pearson as some call them), that are needed for an opening.
I think Fromage points are a bit cheesy. By the way, he has it wromg anyway, its 15 not 14 casino points, (or Pearson as some call them), that are needed for an opening.
Its cansino, with an "N". After Jonathan Cansino who died less than 2 years ago and whose bridge career was cut short in '73 at the age of 34 or so when he suffered from a brain tumour.
I don't know where 15 points came from. I read about this count in the 70s and it was 14 points back then. It seems that modern bidders are getting more conservative.
Actually, I think that the opposite conclusion can be reached. Because modern biddrs are getting more aggressive and open junk, a fourth seat opening needs one more point because partner's range changed from "up to a bad 12" to "up to a bad 10."
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Posted 2008-June-25, 22:13
kenrexford, on Jun 25 2008, 11:09 PM, said:
NickRW, on Jun 25 2008, 10:47 PM, said:
The_Hog, on Jun 26 2008, 01:44 AM, said:
I'd pass.
I think Fromage points are a bit cheesy. By the way, he has it wromg anyway, its 15 not 14 casino points, (or Pearson as some call them), that are needed for an opening.
I think Fromage points are a bit cheesy. By the way, he has it wromg anyway, its 15 not 14 casino points, (or Pearson as some call them), that are needed for an opening.
Its cansino, with an "N". After Jonathan Cansino who died less than 2 years ago and whose bridge career was cut short in '73 at the age of 34 or so when he suffered from a brain tumour.
I don't know where 15 points came from. I read about this count in the 70s and it was 14 points back then. It seems that modern bidders are getting more conservative.
Actually, I think that the opposite conclusion can be reached. Because modern biddrs are getting more aggressive and open junk, a fourth seat opening needs one more point because partner's range changed from "up to a bad 12" to "up to a bad 10."
This is true only if partner opens aggressively and the opps do not.
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Posted 2008-June-26, 01:30
gwnn, on Jun 25 2008, 09:14 AM, said:
I opened, partner played 2♥ in a 4-3 and went down 1 (he might have made it), 3♦ by opps was ice cold.
I would say it's a typical hand.
HCP are evenly distributed.
Each side can make a 2 or 3 level contract.
In this layout you can win or lose 5-6 IMPs bidding and
you can win or lose 3 IMPs passing.
But if your opps don't play very different from you, it's quite save to pass for a flat board.