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Posted 2008-June-19, 22:21

Scoring: MP

1-2-3-4-all pass

Lead is club King, follwed by another club.


How to play? East is known for really light 1 openings, BTW. A balanced 11-count is very possible (I was East, and South, my wife, knew this very well).

I think she played this very well, guessing right at the end. But, the lead up to the final guess was interesting.

The contract technically was doubled, but that meant nothing in reality because this was a grudge match for the Thursday night club game family bragging rights.
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Posted 2008-June-21, 12:15

kenrexford, on Jun 19 2008, 11:21 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

1-2-3-4-all pass

Lead is club King, follwed by another club.
How to play?  East is known for really light 1 openings, BTW.  A balanced 11-count is very possible (I was East, and South, my wife, knew this very well).

I think she played this very well, guessing right at the end.  But, the lead up to the final guess was interesting.

The contract technically was doubled, but that meant nothing in reality because this was a grudge match for the Thursday night club game family bragging rights.



My guess ...
  • Ruff the 2nd .
  • to Q (wins?).
  • to Q (wins?).
  • towards K. RHO wins A as LHO shows out.
  • RHO exits with to J Q (?) and K locking you in dummy.
  • Small but A fails to appear (?) and LHO wins.
  • LHO leads . Go up A dropping RHO's T! :)
Doesn't seem ideal :) Looking forward to improvements :(
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Posted 2008-June-21, 20:06

nige1, on Jun 21 2008, 01:15 PM, said:

My guess ...
  • Ruff the 2nd .
  • to Q (wins?).
  • to Q (wins?).
  • towards K. RHO wins A as LHO shows out.
  • RHO exits with to J Q (?) and K locking you in dummy.
  • Small but A fails to appear (?) and LHO wins.
  • LHO leads . Go up A dropping RHO's T! :)
Doesn't seem ideal :) Looking forward to improvements :)

Club, club ruff was the start. A small heart to the Queen, yes. Diamond to Queen, yes. Heart toward King yielded Ace on right, as you guessed, but a nice 2-2 split.

RHO (me), however, did not touch spades, instead simply exiting another club, ruffed.

Now what?
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Posted 2008-June-21, 23:05

OK
  • Ruff 2nd
  • to Q.
  • to Q.
  • to RHO's A LHO follows
  • Ruff RHO's exit.
  • Now a show-up squeeze on LHO is possible to augment the
    practical chance of Q doubleton or A with LHO.
  • Instead you might reduce to
    • Dummy. AK Kxx
    • Declarer J9x x x

  • In your dreams, your trump squeeze without the count succeeds when RHO was dealt
    say Qxx Ax Axxx Axxx :)
  • Although, double dummy, RHO can thwart such efforts by winning the 1st and returning a .

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Posted 2008-June-22, 06:21

nige1, on Jun 22 2008, 12:05 AM, said:

OK
  • Ruff 2nd
  • to Q.
  • to Q.
  • to RHO's A LHO follows
  • Ruff RHO's exit.
  • Now you can reduce to
    • Dummy. AK Kxx
    • Declarer J9x x x

  • In your dreams, your trump squeeze without the count succeeds when RHO was dealt say
    Qxx Ax Axxx Axxx :rolleyes:
  • Pretty but maybe a better practical chance is play for A tripleton with RHO.
  • Although, double dummy, RHO can thwart all these efforts by winning the 1st and returning a .
  • So perhaps you should play for A with LHO or Q dropping.

Ah!!! You now see why this hand fascinated me. In defending this hand, I realized that a lot was going on in diamonds and spades.

An alternative line, similar to this, is to simply force the diamond end position to the 12th diamond on dummy and Ax of spades, for a squeeze against the diamond pip spot to the left, had rightie won the diamond Ace from Ace-third. Or, a "get a feel" squeeze. Smother possible, etc.

On defense, I decided to feign Ace-fourth OR not the Ace by ducking. When Declarer leads up to the remaining diamond honor (King) a second time, I then won and played yet another club. This allows an entry to dummy through one of the top spades to eliminate all but one top diamond to reach an end position of x J9 opposite x Ax (three spades out:Q/10/x, one higher diamond out, and two clubs).

On the last heart, both RHO and LHO toss a club. So, the question is whether LHO tossed a club from x x Q (and RHO thus x 10x) or whether LHO tossed a club from x Qx (and RHO thus x 10 x), or possibly LHO x 10x (and RHO this x x Q).

In addition to the psychologicals going on here, I think there is an unusual restricted choice issue. If RHO had x x (stiff 10 or Queen), then his club and diamond cards are both 13th cards in that suit, hence equally useless. So, if he pitches one, he could have pitched the other. Whereas, with two spades and either one more club or one more diamond, RHO would be forced to play that one more minor card.

So, it seems that Declarer should play RHO for a doubleton. However, only half of the doubletons work anyway, as Qx is unplayable. So, does this force-of-necessity cancel out the restricted choice problem?

In the end, I think the end position comes down to understanding your opponent. But, it also got me thinking. If a necessary assumptions concern can negate the gain from a restricted choice analysis (can it?), then can a necessary assumptions concern create a restricted choice analysis that would not otherwise be present without the necessary assumptions?
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Posted 2008-June-22, 06:52

I was editing my reply when Ken quoted it :rolleyes:
Anyway, I agree with Ken that, against good defence, the practical chance is
  • A with LHO or
  • Q doubleton or
  • A show up squeeze when LHO has 4+
The pretty trump squeeze without the count is less likely on the bidding and requires a misdefence :)
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