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2/1 responses in relay system

#61 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2008-June-20, 18:00

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Structures like the one Ben Lessard suggests are very nice when opponents are passing. But I doubt in competitive auctions that they work so well.
Because of the limited opening we are in better shape then regular 2/1 & its mostly when partner is in 1st seat that you might have problems.

(pass)-------1M----(Pass)------relay
(OCall)

is not that frequent and dont give us that much problems.

If you compare
1H-----(P)-----1S relay----(2D)
Where 1H is limited but 1S is unlimited

to a standard where 1H is 11-22

1H-----(P)------1S/1Nt nat------(2D)
i cant say that the relay is much worse.

Dont forget the upside of competitive non-forcing bids.

1H-----(P)------???

1S=relay
1NT,2C,2D here will give you many competitive advantage. The more hand you put in the relay the more these bids will be efficient.
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Posted 2008-June-22, 23:14

Coming late to this thread but having played relays over 1M for 20+ years both in practice and philosophically

a) minimum hands with prime fits should be removed from the relay (because they are the hands on which opponents are most likely to interfere and sorting out relative strength/penalty intentions will be more difficult AND because you wish to put maximum pressure on opponents with a prime fit by going as high and fast as possible - hence descriptively as well)

B) hands which require a minimal degree of fit but no wastage opposite a shortage (typically with long minor/s) for slam are bad for relays as useful/key information comes too late

c) hands with game possibility and long suits or best competition are best shown early

d) long suits in relatively weak hands should be shown early.

Best of most worlds can be obtained by utilising transfers and fit-showing jumps, but you have to rid yourself of 2/1 mentality.

My current scheme:-

hence over 1S (5+S 10-15):-
1NT= relay (not 3+S unless 5+cover cards/16+HCP)
2C= transfer to D construct part OR Inv OR slam-try with short
2D= transfer to H see above
2H= 6+C see above
2S= nat const
2NT= limit or min GF with outside sing
3C= fit-showing with either C or H (limit or min GF)
3D= fit-showing but see above
3H= bal limit raise
3S= pre-emptive
3NT= bal (flat) min GF raise
4C= void D
4D= void H
4H= void C
4S= trad

To buy into the other argument about bidding over 1H opening: I originally used a 1NT relay to protect lead mainly but the loss of space and given the fact that I also pack more hands into my 1H opener (4+H may be canape in any suit but if longer S promises at least 5H) ensures that I use 1S as the relay but rebid NT to promise S - lessening the likelihood of playing there...

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Posted 2008-June-26, 10:38

Impact, on Jun 23 2008, 12:14 AM, said:

My current scheme:-

hence over 1S (5+S 10-15):-
1NT= relay (not 3+S unless 5+cover cards/16+HCP)
2C= transfer to D construct part OR Inv OR slam-try with short
2D= transfer to H see above
2H= 6+C see above
2S= nat const
2NT= limit or min GF with outside sing
3C= fit-showing with either C or H (limit or min GF)
3D= fit-showing but see above
3H= bal limit raise
3S= pre-emptive
3NT= bal (flat) min GF raise
4C= void D
4D= void H
4H= void C
4S= trad

Can you post the continuations please? Also, you must be outside ACBL-land, right ;)?
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Posted 2008-June-26, 18:39

Oz where they are deciding to copy ACBL structures - but more slowly...

Which part of the continuations do you want as the continuations to the non-transfer bids are lengthy as are my notes and principles on transfers?

if you are interested in the lot PM to me...
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