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Whos to Blame Playing Acol 4 card Majors and weak NT

#1 User is offline   badderzboy 

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Posted 2008-June-11, 02:43

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Bidding West opens 1♦, North Doubles, East bids 1♠ (agreement is ignore double existed so forcing), South bids 2♣s and West 2♦ all pass.

4♥s is cold, who should bid 2♥ so who's to blame?

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Posted 2008-June-11, 02:45

Obviously opener must bid more than 2♦. I see nothing wrong with 2♥.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 02:48

So instead of describing his hand as a good distributional 17-count, west decides to call his hand minimum with 6+♦. Uhhh, okay.

East bid great. 2♥ by him is a serious overbid, and he has diamond tolerance.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 03:17

Agree that West should bid 2H
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Posted 2008-June-11, 03:35

West has a clear 2H bid. 2D says nothing about a 17count. Without any fancy agreements/conventions, East can't bid 2H as that would be invitational-going.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 04:53

West should bid 2♥.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 05:08

Got to agree that west should bid 2♥.

Also, I'm not sure this has anything to do with either weak NT or 4cM systems. Wouldn't an SAYCer have bid similarly?

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Posted 2008-June-11, 05:55

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Posted 2008-June-11, 06:03

Was the double sound or a psych? I kinda understand why West didn't reverse in hearts, though I blame him for missing the game.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2008-June-11, 06:35

NickRW, on Jun 11 2008, 05:08 AM, said:

Got to agree that west should bid 2♥.

Also, I'm not sure this has anything to do with either weak NT or 4cM systems.  Wouldn't an SAYCer have bid similarly?

Nick

Well, playing weak NT West has the alternative of a 1NT rebid, if he wants to downgrade for singleton in partner's suit and probably 4 hearts sitting behind him. This wouldn't be unreasonable IMO.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 06:49

4 HEart is no hot contract.
If your opponents do not double randomly, you will lose at least two heart tricks and the ace of diamonds. After this, you may start to develop some tricks, while knowing, that most suits won`t break.

West took a big position with his downgrade, but I would put this descisssion more in the area of bad luck then in the are of bad bad bidding.

Of course, if you play with some seniors who double because they hold 13 random HCPs or with some juniors who double with some random 13 cards, 2 HEart had been mandatory.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 07:14

rogerclee, on Jun 11 2008, 03:48 AM, said:

So instead of describing his hand as a good distributional 17-count, west decides to call his hand minimum with 6+♦. Uhhh, okay

Agree with this. 2♦ is a bad bid.

Also, 4♥ is a great contract, even after the double. If the takeout doubler leads their singleton diamond, and started with KQxx hearts, 4♥ will go down. But on all other distributions consistent with the bidding 4♥ looks cold.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 12:37

West had an easy 2H bid
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Posted 2008-June-12, 13:05

West 100%. 2♥ is by far a better bid than 2♦. Even 1NT would be better than 2♦, although that misdescribes both shape and values (values just slightly).

East has a clearcut pass over 2♦.
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