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You are South, you hold this hand
♠ AT95
♥ QT94
♦ AJ74
♣ 4
The bidding is like this
1NT-(4♣)-?
North opens with 1NT, East bids 4♣, now what will you bid?
4♣ promises at least 8+♣
What will you bid in this situation:
(1) all are non-vul
(2) only NS are vull
(3) all are vul?
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What should I bid?
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Posted 2008-June-03, 20:58
5♣
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Posted 2008-June-03, 22:59
If you play x for takeout then you have an easy x on all of these hands. I don't like Ken's 5C as pd will be forced to bid a Major at the 5 level if he has one. The 5 level is not safe here, particularly with likely bad breaks.
If you play penalty xs then I would still x for penalty because of the likely bad breaks - this is not optimal, however.
If you play penalty xs then I would still x for penalty because of the likely bad breaks - this is not optimal, however.
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Posted 2008-June-03, 23:10
5♣ gets us to the right strain at the wrong level. Double will just get left in.
4♦ has an eerie attraction for me, but my mind is tilting after reading the new Mid Chart, so take my next 5 posts with a grain of salt.
4♦ has an eerie attraction for me, but my mind is tilting after reading the new Mid Chart, so take my next 5 posts with a grain of salt.
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Posted 2008-June-03, 23:58
Double looks totally normal.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 00:20
Hi, this hand is a good example of why you should play X as negative. If you don't play that, you are totally stuck, and that will happen a lot. It is frequent that you have good hands without a great suit to bid, it is very infrequent that you have good trumps on this auction.
All that said, if you don't have a negative X available you have a nasty guess. I would guess to X for penalty, since I cannot be sure of making anything if I just guess a suit, or drive to the 5 level. I would expect only down 1 or 2, but that's better than nothing.
All that said, if you don't have a negative X available you have a nasty guess. I would guess to X for penalty, since I cannot be sure of making anything if I just guess a suit, or drive to the 5 level. I would expect only down 1 or 2, but that's better than nothing.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 01:06
Hi,
the simplest soluion is double for penalty, not best
but not the worst either.
Personnally I doubt 4C will always be based on a
8 carder.
With kind regards
Marlowe
the simplest soluion is double for penalty, not best
but not the worst either.
Personnally I doubt 4C will always be based on a
8 carder.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2008-June-04, 01:38
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pt almost certainly has 2/3 clubs ; although in theory the x is penalty it isn't hard for pt to work out you aren't expecting to make trump tricks with your club length
on that basis you would almost certainly bid a 5 card major if you had it
so , unless he/ she has trump tricks should bid 4 card suits in ascending order , anticipating that if you bid a major it will be a 4 card suit ; if pt has no values in clubs you have a lot of values in the other 3 suits , don't you !
pt almost certainly has 2/3 clubs ; although in theory the x is penalty it isn't hard for pt to work out you aren't expecting to make trump tricks with your club length
on that basis you would almost certainly bid a 5 card major if you had it
so , unless he/ she has trump tricks should bid 4 card suits in ascending order , anticipating that if you bid a major it will be a 4 card suit ; if pt has no values in clubs you have a lot of values in the other 3 suits , don't you !
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Posted 2008-June-04, 04:21
Agree that this seems a normal double, but then, I didn't consider that partner might think that is a penalty doouble.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-June-04, 10:01
Double ! If PD leaves it in, I think 4♣x won't make and if PD pulls it, you're quite happy.
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Posted 2008-June-05, 13:53
Jlall, on Jun 4 2008, 02:20 AM, said:
Hi, this hand is a good example of why you should play X as negative. If you don't play that, you are totally stuck, and that will happen a lot. It is frequent that you have good hands without a great suit to bid, it is very infrequent that you have good trumps on this auction.
All that said, if you don't have a negative X available you have a nasty guess. I would guess to X for penalty, since I cannot be sure of making anything if I just guess a suit, or drive to the 5 level. I would expect only down 1 or 2, but that's better than nothing.
All that said, if you don't have a negative X available you have a nasty guess. I would guess to X for penalty, since I cannot be sure of making anything if I just guess a suit, or drive to the 5 level. I would expect only down 1 or 2, but that's better than nothing.
This sums the situation up nicely.
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