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Poll: what do you call over 4[di], should you have bid differently earlier (14 member(s) have cast votes)

what do you call over 4[di], should you have bid differently earlier

  1. Pass == partner bid diamonds 3 times, he has them (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 4he == got to take a pick between the majors, at least have two (8 votes [57.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  3. 4Sp == cue-bid, slam try in clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4N == natural (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 4N == blackwood (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 4N == mild slam try for clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 5C == I got clubs and a little something in diamonds bid it (1 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  8. 6C == Partner cue-bid 3 times. (5 votes [35.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

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Posted 2008-May-28, 23:31

Playing with an advanced or better partner (well anyway, me)... and playing a method where a free bid by advancer will not be forcing, how do you bid on this hand over the 4♦ bid?

Scoring: IMP


(1♦) - 2♣ - (P) - 2♦
(X ) - 3♣ - (P) - 3♦
(X ) - 3N - (P) - 4♦
(P ) - ?


Two side questions...
  • Do you agree 2♣ or would you bid something else R/W?
  • Would you bid 3♣ over the double of 2♦?

Note cue-bid then new suit is forcing, so any thoughts on the choosen auction (2,3,4D) versus, say jump to 3 or 4D on first round or jump to 4D on second round.
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Posted 2008-May-28, 23:51

I'd give him 4H, I have a great hand for this auction. If he bids 4S I would give him 6C. 3C was an underbid but I suppose I was trying to shut out the next guy from bidding 2M.
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Posted 2008-May-28, 23:56

In the poll I think you reversed the comments for 4♥ and 4♠ so I didn't vote. I want to bid 4♥ for the reason you put with 4♠.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 00:23

Agree with 4H cue, slam try for clubs.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 00:55

I think 2C is clear.

I would have passed 2D, the hand is too good for 3C.

Agree with 3NT.

Having underbid earlier in the auction I would certainly cue now.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-29, 01:27

Agree with 2♣.
If redbl of 2♦X is promising something in ♦, I would choose that over 3♣.
Agree with 3NT.

If 4♥ is really pick a major, i have to bid 5♣.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 01:28

Let me add that partner does not have the majors.. that hand would bid 2D then 3S followed by 4H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-29, 01:49

4♦ majors? lol

Anyway I think 4♥ is clear. This hand is very good, I am going to slam unless we are somehow off a spade control.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 02:21

4♥ cue is clear imo
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Posted 2008-May-29, 02:32

4♥
Partner likes the clubs and seems to be interested in slam.
It's a pity that my ♦K is wasted, but the clubs can hardly be a disappointment.

BTW: I've heard about a partnership that ended after three cuebids in spades.
The partner of the cuebidder handled the first two very well en kept describing his hand.
After 4♠ he got confused, decided that his partner had 7 strong spades and passed.
Cuebidder was not amused.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 05:13

My 2C overcall over 1D tend to be a bit more agressive so i have extras 4H.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 05:27

This is a misfit and I sign off in whatever major a have two off.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 05:32

So you seriously think that partner has the majors Helene?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-29, 05:49

han, on May 29 2008, 12:32 PM, said:

So you seriously think that partner has the majors Helene?

Yes. With a strong club raise he would also have cuebid twice but over 3NT he would probably pass, or else bid 4♣. Or maybe he would have splintered. I think 6-6 in the majors is the most plausible. Or maybe 5-6 would make more sense since with that pattern he would not know which major to bid first :)
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Posted 2008-May-29, 05:59

With 5-6 partner would have bid 3H I think.

I agree with you that 4C would make it clearer but I think partner has shown slam interest in clubs nevertheless.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-29, 06:15

If pd has a clear club fit with short diamonds he could have bid 4 Diamond instead of 2.
If he has a one suiter he could have bid his suit instead of 3 Diamond
If he has a two suiter he could have bid at least one of the suits instead of 3 Diamond.
If he has a balanced hand, he could have choosen 4,5 or 6 NT instead of 4 Diamonds.
With diamonds he should pass 3 NT.

So he has no diamond shortness, no one or two suiter and no balanced hand...

I think he is 4441 or even 4450 and he fears, that he will never reach our clubs in NT.

IS this far fetched? Sure. But with any other hand, he should have bid different.

There is one more possibility: He is afraid that 4 Club instead of 4 Diamond would not have been forcing. But I no, Ben would know that 4 Club is forcing and forwardgoing, so this is out too.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 07:20

I'll bid my longest major. I don't know what partner has in mind. He get's another bid.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 08:22

Frankly I have never had an auction anything like this ever.

I assume the first option, partner having diamonds is rubbish. LHO did open ♦ and double the cue twice after all, plus we have 4 of them ourselves.

And I can't imagine partner having a major 2 suiter either - certainly after 3N I would have given up on my partner getting the message and bid one of them myself - or simply passed depending on the exact holding.

By a process of elimination, I have to deduce that my partner is agreeing clubs and asking for more info - in which case I cue the heart singleton.

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Posted 2008-May-29, 09:32

Partner does not have the majors. That hand bids 3♠ over 3♣.

Does pard have great club support? I don't think this can be ruled out. 4♣ over 3N is possible, but how would you bid if you wanted to simply force a ♥ cue out of partner? What would you do with: AKQxx Qxx A Qxxx? The other possibility is a diamond void: AKxxx AQxx void Qxxx, but this hand splinters over 2♣ I think.

I'm bidding 6♣.
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Posted 2008-May-30, 00:23

pclayton, on May 30 2008, 12:32 AM, said:

Does pard have great club support? I don't think this can be ruled out. 4♣ over 3N is possible, but how would you bid if you wanted to simply force a ♥ cue out of partner? What would you do with: AKQxx Qxx A Qxxx?

What about bidding 4 Club and later 4 Spade after partners 4 Diamond bid?
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