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Club problem hand 2

Poll: Playing inverted minors, your call (18 member(s) have cast votes)

Playing inverted minors, your call

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1 Heart (5 votes [27.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.78%

  3. 3 diamonds (13 votes [72.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.22%

  4. Monkey bid (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2008-May-29, 00:41

Scoring: MP

1♦-(p)-?


Playing inverted minors against a random club pair, what would your call be?

(just for the record, I think this is a wtp hand, but I witnessed violent disagreement over what this hand should do, so I'm checking with the masses)
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Posted 2008-May-29, 01:07

I'd bid 3D. If you play this more constructively then 1H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-29, 01:09

Agree with han
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Posted 2008-May-29, 02:16

Agree with andy_h
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Posted 2008-May-29, 02:18

disagree with 655321: 1♥
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Posted 2008-May-29, 03:29

Playing a 6-9 or so criss-cross raise, this is a wtp 3♦ hand.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 05:43

effervesce, on May 29 2008, 06:29 PM, said:

Playing a 6-9 or so criss-cross raise, this is a wtp 3♦ hand.

Playing a 6-9 or so criss-cross raise, this is a wtp 1 ♥ hand.

I could have much weaker 6 HCP hands for the bidding then this gem.
And if the hand belong to us, we should introduce our major.

There is still time to bid our minor when we have no fit.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 06:04

You are right Codo, if the hand belongs to us then 1H should work fine. But there is a good chance that it is their hand and they may have a good spade fit. In that case I'd rather preempt immediately.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-29, 08:08

agree with making a weak 3♦ bid if theres another way to show a constructive diamond raise
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Posted 2008-May-29, 09:47

Now this is my idea of a one-bid hand!

3♦.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 09:53

3♦. Seriously, wtp? If partner really has enough for game the bidding will continue p 3♥ p 4♥, and if he doesn't then it belongs to them in a black suit.
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Posted 2008-May-29, 10:33

Well, from my point of view, playing with my regular partner, I'd be pretty sure that this hand belongs to them and strictly speaking I don't have a response (we have quite a set of artificial strong 2 bids that clips off the top of what partner might have for a one bid - not sure I like it but that is how we've evolved for now - at least it normally means that we do not need to respond on a couple of jacks and a queen). However, especially at this vuln., I'd take a flier at 3D. With a more normal responding hand, I wouldn't have suppressed the 4 card major, but wtp here.

Playing US style, who knows. I can potentially see why there was an argument. If you must play really wide ranging one bids - well there are upsides and there are downsides, like every other choice with bidding systems - live with it.

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Posted 2008-May-29, 15:31

It depends if you define 3D as "bid with 18-19 bal" or "pass with 18-19 bal"
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