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What would this mean in your partnerships?

#1 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2008-May-26, 17:32

Scoring: MP

(P)-P-(1♣)-1♦,
(P)-2♥-(P)-?


This is the auction up to this point, I was curious how people played that 2♥ bid in their own partnerships.

My partner claimed it was invitational with a good 5 hearts, but without promising a fit in diamonds, and said it was expert standard. :angry: I'm looking for thoughts to either back that up or refute it, because I'd like to know what really is standard there.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 18:22

Fit-showing.

Your partner's interpretation is played by nobody (why not just bid 1♥?). I hate it when people back up their psychotic interpretations of bids as "EXPERT STANDARD."
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Posted 2008-May-26, 18:29

Jump = fit.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 18:31

I suspect your partner is using Humpty Dumpty's definition of "expert standard". Bridge World Standard 2001 defines a jump in a new suit as fit showing.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 18:42

Fit bid. Obviously.

If the meaning of "expert standard" was that this bid is a good standard by which to judge an expert (if fit bid = expert, if not = not), I agree.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 18:44

By an unpassed hand it would be natural, forcing (yeah STRONG JUMPSHIFT), but fit-showing by a passed hand and this should be universal.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 18:53

5♥, 10ish points, ♦ fit
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Posted 2008-May-26, 19:16

Agree with all previous. 1H by a passed hand is natural and forcing, 2H is fit showing.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 19:26

Funny.

If I had to pick my preference...

Top Choice = Fit-Showing

2ND: Min-Splinter in support of diamonds

3RD: Like a Roman Jump (diamonds and spades 5-5, less then opening barely)

4TH: Preemptive diamond raise, lead-director

I could go on for a while without getting to "hearts."
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Posted 2008-May-26, 19:34

Fitted.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 00:51

CSGibson, on May 26 2008, 06:32 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

(P)-P-(1♣)-1♦,
(P)-2♥-(P)-?


This is the auction up to this point, I was curious how people played that 2♥ bid in their own partnerships.

My partner claimed it was invitational with a good 5 hearts, but without promising a fit in diamonds, and said it was expert standard. :) I'm looking for thoughts to either back that up or refute it, because I'd like to know what really is standard there.

"Nobody" except your partner plays it as 5 hearts, invitational, and not promising diamond support. Claiming that meaning to be "expert standard" is silly. Without agreements, I think most would interpret it as fit showing with [good] hearts on the side.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 00:55

Fit jump.

If your partner holds 5 hearts with inv.
values, he can bid 1H, which would
mean exactly this.

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Posted 2008-May-27, 01:05

Is it worth my pointing out that I think this should be fit-showing?

It won't help you in determining what expert standard is.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 01:28

Agree with fit-showing
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Posted 2008-May-27, 02:13

In my partnership this is agreed as "misfit, single suited in ♥, weak and preemptive" (implication is that I should not bid on). I don't claim this to be standard.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 02:44

The_Hog, on May 27 2008, 02:16 AM, said:

Agree with all previous. 1H by a passed hand is natural and

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forcing, 2H is fit showing.

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Posted 2008-May-27, 03:14

hotShot, on May 27 2008, 03:13 PM, said:

In my partnership this is agreed as "misfit, single suited in ♥, weak and preemptive" (implication is that I should not bid on). I don't claim this to be standard.

Wouldn't you have opened a weak 2H with this?
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Posted 2008-May-27, 04:46

The_Hog, on May 27 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

hotShot, on May 27 2008, 03:13 PM, said:

In my partnership this is agreed as "misfit, single suited in ♥, weak and preemptive" (implication is that I should not bid on). I don't claim this to be standard.

Wouldn't you have opened a weak 2H with this?

This is a hand to weak to open as weak 2 or a long suit that has no honors.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 05:25

hotShot, on May 27 2008, 05:46 AM, said:

This is a hand to weak to open as weak 2 or a long suit that has no honors.

I have no earthly idea why people feel the need to show that hand with anything other than PASS.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 06:44

TylerE, on May 27 2008, 01:25 PM, said:

hotShot, on May 27 2008, 05:46 AM, said:

This is a hand to weak to open as weak 2 or a long suit that has no honors.

I have no earthly idea why people feel the need to show that hand with anything other than PASS.

Your LHO and your partner share some 30+ HCP.
Instead of opening 2♥ with 7 HCP hoping to find some 10 in partners hand, you are bidding 2♥ with 2 HCP expecting to find 15+ HCP in partners hand.
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