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Poll: YOUR CHOICE (36 member(s) have cast votes)

YOUR CHOICE

  1. PASS (18 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. DOUBLE (5 votes [13.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.89%

  3. 2H (6 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. 2NT (7 votes [19.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.44%

  5. OTHER (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   mike777 

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Posted 2008-May-26, 17:52

Scoring: IMP

1H=(1S)=P=(2D=nf)
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Your choice and why?
Note 2d by opp is natural and nonforcing
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Posted 2008-May-26, 17:58

2N for me. Partner can still have some values on this auction, and this gets the hand off my chest. I don't feel strongly about this (i.e, if I'm given a reasonable explanation why this is wrong, I'd be able to be convinced), but it's what I would do at the table.

Edit: The source of tricks in hearts and likely diamond lead give me courage.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 18:00

Double showing values for me. I don't think it can logically just be takeout given opponents have shown two suits. I believe 2NT should show more that you have 8 tricks in your hand and want a little help for 3NT, rather than a powerful hand that can be useful both offensively and defensively. Maybe something like Kx AKQxxx Ax xxx.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 18:48

2♥.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 19:27

2NT. Seen this before recently... :P

Echognome, on May 26 2008, 07:00 PM, said:

Double showing values for me.  I don't think it can logically just be takeout given opponents have shown two suits.  I believe 2NT should show more that you have 8 tricks in your hand and want a little help for 3NT, rather than a powerful hand that can be useful both offensively and defensively.  Maybe something like Kx AKQxxx Ax xxx.

Hmm, and what is partner then supposed to do after this double? :angry: If you can have almost anything with "values", then it's too hard. Sometimes ♦xx ♣AKJ and sometimes ♦AKJ ♣xx?
I think a double should be very close to 2524, and a good hand obviously.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 23:23

I wouldn't be surprised to see 2NT get absolutely clobbered. 2H for me.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 23:59

I just pass, maybe it's wimpy but we are vul and with the spades how they are I have no desire at all to declare this hand. I give bidding a small upside though granted it could improve our score.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 00:04

I thought about this problem when it came out for awhile and thought 2NT was best, but after reading all the comments in the last BW, I think pass is the best call. I liked Jeff Rubens' answer: it is much easier to make up layouts where everyone is already too high than those where both sides can make 2♦ or more.

2NT is tempting, but 2♥ is not to me. 2♥ is much safer than 2NT, but its upside is so much smaller that I think it is a worse call.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 00:35

Pass.

I know I would 'pass wtp' if this hand came up at the table, so it was interesting to see most of the panel bidding. (But, apparently I have learned nothing because I still pass :) )
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 01:05

Hi,

X.

The alternative being Pass or 2H.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-May-27, 08:52

If 2D is constructive non-forcing its a clear pass for me. LHO probably has an opening hand or an overcall with AQT of spades so we are going nowhere.

If 2D can be very weak then its a tough problem but id still pass maybe partner can reopen.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 09:07

Playing R/S agreements, dbl. Then:

- if pard bids 2NT, pass. (2NT = lebenshol, showing a weakish pass to 1♠)
- if pard bids 3♣, 3NT. (Due to leb, 3♦ shows some extras - unlikely, but possible)
- if pard bids 2♥, wonderful, pass.
- if pard bids 3♥, 3NT

Not playing R/S agreements, 2♥.
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Posted 2008-May-27, 10:24

655321, on May 27 2008, 01:35 AM, said:

Pass.

I know I would 'pass wtp' if this hand came up at the table, so it was interesting to see most of the panel bidding. (But, apparently I have learned nothing because I still pass :) )

Yeah I would WTP pass as well, where are we going on this hand?

What did the panel do?
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Posted 2008-May-27, 10:33

Pass for me too. This looks like a Walrus hand,"...but, but, but, I had EIGHTEEN...how could I go for -1100?".
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Posted 2008-May-27, 10:34

I pretty much doubt we can got for 1100 when we have 6 tricks on the bag. Even on a nightmarrish scenario, 500 is tops :) It's not like we got ♥Kxxxx and 18 hcp, ya know?? :)
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Posted 2008-May-27, 10:45

whereagles, on May 27 2008, 11:34 AM, said:

I pretty much doubt we can got for 1100 when we have 6 tricks on the bag. Even on a nightmarrish scenario, 500 is tops :) It's not like we got ♥Kxxxx and 18 hcp, ya know?? :)

You have 6 if they don't take 8 or more first!
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Posted 2008-May-27, 10:59

You also got too many gots in your post Nuno.

Agree with clear pass. Half a year ago my anonymous regular partner berated me for not being able to pass with 18-19 balanced, hopefully I'm a better person now.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-27, 11:16

han, on May 27 2008, 04:59 PM, said:

You also got too many gots in your post Nuno.

Two is a crowd??? I thought that were three :P
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Posted 2008-May-27, 11:50

You got at least one too many!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-27, 11:53

Pass.
No reason to change what looks like a plus score into a minus score for us.
Game is veeery remote, going for a number is not.
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