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Poll: what's your lead? (21 member(s) have cast votes)

what's your lead?

  1. spade (16 votes [76.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.19%

  2. heart (4 votes [19.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.05%

  3. diamond (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  4. club (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-May-28, 10:12

AKx
Axx
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QTxxx

1NT-2C
2H-3H
3NT-4H

3rd and low leads, if that makes any difference. partner is very good, if that makes any difference
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-May-28, 10:16

I assume a diamond or the CQ or something is right given that the world would lead a top spade.
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Posted 2008-May-28, 10:17

I'll go passive here with a diamond. Declarer has a lot of work to do.

With three entries, I think I have the luxury of waiting for the club shift.
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Posted 2008-May-28, 10:20

This would really have to be posted in a forum for anything but a spade to be possible. If you are thinking of a club to give partner a ruff later there, you can always shift at trick 2. Can't wait to see why something else was right.

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Posted 2008-May-28, 10:31

Looks like an obvious spade lead, so that can't be right.
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Posted 2008-May-28, 10:57

I would lead a heart - do not see where the spades are going, and with partner marked with little, there is a pretty high chance I am simplifying the hand for declarer by leading a big spade.

I have lost innumerable IMPs and MPs on opening lead though, so perhaps my votes in these polls should be negative?
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Posted 2008-May-28, 11:33

jdonn, on May 28 2008, 08:20 AM, said:

This would really have to be posted in a forum for anything but a spade to be possible. If you are thinking of a club to give partner a ruff later there, you can always shift at trick 2. Can't wait to see why something else was right.

Clayton!?!?!

Josh - look at your hand again. Where are our spades tricks going?
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Posted 2008-May-28, 13:29

The arguments for a passive lead are good, but it's not clear that either a diamond or a heart is passive. A diamond may pick up partner's queen or jack; a heart may pick up his jack, or his Q9 over dummy's J10.

Of course, a spade may cost a trick when partner has the ten or jack, so that's not particularly passive either. The main advantage to a spade is that it gives you a chance to switch to a club if dummy has four, and eventually give partner a ruff.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-28, 13:38

gnasher, on May 28 2008, 11:29 AM, said:

The arguments for a passive lead are good, but it's not clear that either a diamond or a heart is passive. A diamond may pick up partner's queen or jack; a heart may pick up his jack, or his Q9 over dummy's J10.

Of course, a spade may cost a trick when partner has the ten or jack, so that's not particularly passive either. The main advantage to a spade is that it gives you a chance to switch to a club if dummy has four, and eventually give partner a ruff.

I considered this too, but pard's diamond honors are finessable (assuming declarer plays the suit that way). I'd be worried we'd be picking off pard's Jx of trump with a trump lead. Its hard to tell what the bigger risk is.

I'm not sure we can ever diagnose the need for a club ruff, unless dummy flops with 5.
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Posted 2008-May-28, 14:10

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I'm not sure we can ever diagnose the need for a club ruff, unless dummy flops with 5.

Yes, you're right - with declarer probably 3433, a club switch would be appropriate only if dummy had five. I seem to be having trouble with counting up to 13 at the moment.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-28, 14:16

Top spade
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Posted 2008-May-28, 14:26

pclayton, on May 28 2008, 12:33 PM, said:

jdonn, on May 28 2008, 08:20 AM, said:

This would really have to be posted in a forum for anything but a spade to be possible. If you are thinking of a club to give partner a ruff later there, you can always shift at trick 2. Can't wait to see why something else was right.

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Josh - look at your hand again. Where are our spades tricks going?

You lose the option to switch to whichever suit looks better at trick 2 (club king, diamond king, club ruff, even a trump can be right), and all for what, to fish out partner's diamond queen? What if partner is 2-1 in the majors and you lose your spade ruff? I often don't lead AK when it doesn't look right in fact, but I am not seeing at all why it isn't right here.
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Posted 2008-May-28, 17:05

i like a small trump/
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