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655321, on May 23 2008, 01:07 AM, said:
Free, on May 22 2008, 09:36 AM, said:
655321, on May 22 2008, 03:23 PM, said:
~snip~ and not only should 1NT be a good contract, but we will probably get to play it. ~snip~
You live in a dream
Perhaps, but you live in a nightmare.
To clarify, the auction was:
(P)-1♣-(P)-1♥
(P)-1NT-(P)-?
I maintain that if you pass 1NT you are extremely likely to play there. Justin has said (elsewhere in the thread) that there is no hand in the passout seat he could hold where he would double now, because he would have acted earlier. I agree with this sentiment.
You claim you need to bid 3♣ to keep the opponents from bidding spades, after they have passed four (4!) times between them:
Free, on May 22 2008, 02:30 AM, said:
Why did I pass the previous round?
Now 3♣, as I would've played without opps intervening (2NT was puppet). Let's hope it's enough to keep them out of their ♠ contract.
Now 3♣, as I would've played without opps intervening (2NT was puppet). Let's hope it's enough to keep them out of their ♠ contract.
I agree that the Dbl is quite impossible, but 2♦ and 2♠ bids are not! There are many hands that would only bid in passout seat, and that's the chance they get.
After the auction 1♣ - 1♥ - 1NT, I can't play 2♣ playing 2-way checkback but I can play 3♣. It has a reasonable chance, while opps have a ♠ fit and a possibility to balance. So I would bid 2NT (puppet to 3♣) and pass out. Now opps won't balance and may miss their ♠ fit (they can even have a 9 card ♠ fit if it's a poor 5 card opposite a decent 4 card). It's a matter of looking ahead and not underestimating my opponents.
When we passed and the auction continues as stated and we bid 2♣ (p - 1♣ - p - 1♥ ; p - 1NT - p - p ; Dbl - p - p - 2♣), opps won't be quiet and bid ♦ or ♠ one way or another since they won't be able to penalize us in 2♣... Again it's about looking ahead. That's why I'd bid 3♣, not 2 which is a waste of time.
You claim that opps won't find their ♠ fit after they passed 4 times. However none of the players got a single reason to intervene! Look at it from their point of view: no opening (pass 1), opps bid forcing until 1NT (pass 2 & 3), responder is still unlimited (pass 4). Now that both opps are limited, opps can still fight a partscore, bid a 4-5 card ♦, a 4 card ♠ or a poor 5 card ♠.