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x xx AQJxx AKJxx
1S p 2D
2H p 3C
3H p 3N
5S p ?
2D GF, 3C natural.
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umm...what?
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:04
I think its a 6-5 or 7-5 that is just too good for 4♠:
AKJxxx AKJxx x x
Right or wrong, I'm bidding 6N.
AKJxxx AKJxx x x
Right or wrong, I'm bidding 6N.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:08
Why is that hand worth more than 4♠?
Anyway, yeah some 65 or 75 should be it. We cover the side losers, but will that be enough?? I don't think so. PASS.
Anyway, yeah some 65 or 75 should be it. We cover the side losers, but will that be enough?? I don't think so. PASS.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:09
whereagles, on May 19 2008, 09:08 AM, said:
Why is that hand worth more than 4♠?
Anyway, yeah some 65 or 75 should be it. We cover the side losers, but will that be enough?? I don't think so. PASS.
Anyway, yeah some 65 or 75 should be it. We cover the side losers, but will that be enough?? I don't think so. PASS.
I don't know, because you'd bid it the same without both major suit kings?
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:14
Phil, this is a huge misfit, despite the combined high hcp count. What matters now is to find a playable spot and leave considerations of extra strength 'n stuff to the post mortem.
This doesn't mean you should never try for a slam, but, if you do that, you'd better bid only what's in front of you. In this case this would mean
AKJT9x
AQJT9
x
x
or thereabouts.
This doesn't mean you should never try for a slam, but, if you do that, you'd better bid only what's in front of you. In this case this would mean
AKJT9x
AQJT9
x
x
or thereabouts.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:21
A slam-forcing 6-5 or 7-5.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:32
gnasher, on May 19 2008, 12:21 PM, said:
A slam-forcing 6-5 or 7-5.
Why is it slam forcing? I think it sucks if partner's only options are to bid 4S which could just be a 9 count or force to slam. Surely with a slam force he can bid something else (like 5N or 6S or 6H). Maybe this gives up on some precision when he has a slam force but it at least gives him some option with a good but not slam forcing hand which is probably more common and more important.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:37
whereagles, on May 19 2008, 09:14 AM, said:
Phil, this is a huge misfit, despite the combined high hcp count. What matters now is to find a playable spot and leave considerations of extra strength 'n stuff to the post mortem.
This doesn't mean you should never try for a slam, but, if you do that, you'd better bid only what's in front of you. In this case this would mean
AKJT9x
AQJT9
x
x
or thereabouts.
This doesn't mean you should never try for a slam, but, if you do that, you'd better bid only what's in front of you. In this case this would mean
AKJT9x
AQJT9
x
x
or thereabouts.
Nuno your argument is totally besides the point. How can opener possibly call AJxxxx AJxxx x x the same as AKJxxx AKJxx? I don't care if its a misfit or not - both responder and opener have extra values and 6N has to be real close. I agree a stray 10 here and there in any suit is a big help.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:47
Some people I play with use the jump to 5(trumps) to ask about trump top honors.
0 trump honors => pass
1 trump honors => slam
2 trump honors => grand
0 trump honors => pass
1 trump honors => slam
2 trump honors => grand
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:50
I think that opener has to have a better hand than Phil's minimum, since that hand has no 5-level safety on the auction.
AKJ10xx AKJxx x x is the worst hand I can come up with.. remember, you haven't promised both minor aces... x x AKJxxx KQJxx is entirely plausible, is it not?
Can he have AKQxxx AKQxx x x? No... even for me, that looks like a 2♣ opener. Note that even this monster isn't cold for any slam... altho I'd like my chances
I don't see any construction on which slam is a good proposition unless he has a minor honour, but I don't think that is probable, given that he has 11 or 12 cards in the majors. So I pass
I think he was hoping either for 2=1 in the majors or a major Q.. I have neither.
BTW, I hate 6N.. where are the tricks coming from on the hand I posited? Yes, if you are a happy and successful hooker, than by all means bid 6N. But I think it likely to be a less than 50% contract. 5♠ rates to muddle through
AKJ10xx AKJxx x x is the worst hand I can come up with.. remember, you haven't promised both minor aces... x x AKJxxx KQJxx is entirely plausible, is it not?
Can he have AKQxxx AKQxx x x? No... even for me, that looks like a 2♣ opener. Note that even this monster isn't cold for any slam... altho I'd like my chances
I don't see any construction on which slam is a good proposition unless he has a minor honour, but I don't think that is probable, given that he has 11 or 12 cards in the majors. So I pass
I think he was hoping either for 2=1 in the majors or a major Q.. I have neither.
BTW, I hate 6N.. where are the tricks coming from on the hand I posited? Yes, if you are a happy and successful hooker, than by all means bid 6N. But I think it likely to be a less than 50% contract. 5♠ rates to muddle through
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:56
mikeh, on May 19 2008, 12:50 PM, said:
Yes, if you are a happy and successful hooker
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Posted 2008-May-19, 12:08
Sorry Phil, don't quite agree. Misfit slams are a matter of TRICKS, not hcp. In both your examples, AJxxxx AJxxx x x and AKJxxx AKJxx x x, those tricks just aren't there.
By the way, I'd probably pass 3NT on the weaker hand. I'll have a hard time making 4♠. Better pass and hope my 2 aces are the bullets that pard needs to wrap-up 9 tricks in NT. Gimme a 7th spade (say same hcps, 7510) and I might just try 4♠. Only just
By the way, I'd probably pass 3NT on the weaker hand. I'll have a hard time making 4♠. Better pass and hope my 2 aces are the bullets that pard needs to wrap-up 9 tricks in NT. Gimme a 7th spade (say same hcps, 7510) and I might just try 4♠. Only just
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Posted 2008-May-19, 12:12
What would
1S----2D
3H show ?
if its natural then my guess is that 5S show a strong 75- with a big disparity between the S and the H.
AKQJxxx
KT9xx
x
If 3H would have been a splinter then i guess 5S show a 75 that is too strong for 4S.
1S----2D
3H show ?
if its natural then my guess is that 5S show a strong 75- with a big disparity between the S and the H.
AKQJxxx
KT9xx
x
If 3H would have been a splinter then i guess 5S show a 75 that is too strong for 4S.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 15:45
I bid 6♠, if they lead a major then we have major transportation issues in 6NT, which I don't see making without the spades anyway. I already talked to Justin about this hand, I raise since I have both aces and expect one to be working and hope that's enough. If I had 0 or 1 aces I would pass.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 15:51
Very tough. I would have bid 5nt, passing the buck back to partner.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 16:18
mike777, on May 19 2008, 04:51 PM, said:
Very tough. I would have bid 5nt, passing the buck back to partner.
OS5NT always looks good in this situation.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 16:30
6H.
What do I know, but I wont pass 5S.
Maybe 5NT is best, partner should pick
the suit he likes best.
If a doubleton is enough, partner will pass
6H, if he has a selfsufficient spade suit, he
still can convert.
With kind regards
Marlowe
What do I know, but I wont pass 5S.
Maybe 5NT is best, partner should pick
the suit he likes best.
If a doubleton is enough, partner will pass
6H, if he has a selfsufficient spade suit, he
still can convert.
With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-May-20, 00:36
Jlall, on May 19 2008, 06:32 PM, said:
gnasher, on May 19 2008, 12:21 PM, said:
A slam-forcing 6-5 or 7-5.
Why is it slam forcing?
Sorry - that was nonsense. I was thinking of sequences where 5♠ might force a preference to 6♥, but this isn't one of those.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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