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#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2008-May-19, 10:12

Scoring: IMP

(1♥)-X-(P)-3♣
(P)-3♠-(P)-4♣
(P)-4♥-(X)-??

Do you agree with your bidding so far?

What is 4♥?

What call do you make now?

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Posted 2008-May-19, 10:21

>> Agree with bidding?

It's ok.


>> What is 4♥?

Some sort of club cue, I guess.


>> What now?

5♣. Got nothing but clubs, no diamond control, no help in spades.. what else but 5 now??
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Posted 2008-May-19, 10:36

Sorry, have just added the second double.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:02

3♣ is a good call since it doesn't give up on 3N. The hand is just a little too good for a direct 4♣.

I don't know what 4♥ is (Choice of Game Q? big hand in spades (unlikely), big raise of clubs (likely)), but I doubt it really matters since I'm bidding 5♣.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:05

Agree with bidding, I'd just bid 5C now.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:24

We were actually a bit good for 3C, I might have cued (and got into a horribly messy auction).

4H is a cue for clubs.

I'm not entirely sure what 3S was, when 3H was available, so it must be a very good suit

Give partner

AKJx
x
Axxx
Axxx

and slam is on the spade finesse.

I would like bid 4S as a cue, but I think the auction may go wrong. I would pass the double. I don't have a heart control, but I have too good a hand to bid 5C. If partner is interested in slam I definitely have extras, if he is looking at controls in every suit he'll know what to do.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 11:54

I like the auction so far, and agree that 4♥ was a cue... I'd bid 5♣ now.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 16:55

Whether 4♥ is a cue bid or a choice of games is mainly a question of philosophy, but anyone who plays it as a cue bid has the wrong philosophy. I bid 5♣.

I don't understand Frances's 4=1=4=4 example. Surely that hand would have bid 3♥?
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Posted 2008-May-19, 18:16

Bidding looks fine to me. I have no aces and no interest in ♠ so I'll just bid 5♣ and hope PD's doesn't get overly excited.

Note that I could pass the X of 4♥ and then pull 4♠ to 5♣ or bid 4NT at some point, so PD should realize that from where I sit, I am not interested in slam unless he's really got the good and is control rich. I also could have XX'd 4♥ which to me shows first round control. Anyhow, I won't let us be misslead by the likely silly double of 4♥ and am happy that East didn't muddy the waters earlier with a preemptive raise in ♥.

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Posted 2008-May-19, 19:39

FrancesHinden, on May 19 2008, 12:24 PM, said:

I would like bid 4S as a cue, but I think the auction may go wrong. I would pass the double. I don't have a heart control, but I have too good a hand to bid 5C. If partner is interested in slam I definitely have extras, if he is looking at controls in every suit he'll know what to do.

I don't like cueing shortage in partner's suits anyway. 4♠ should show a spade honor if it was a cue. In this auction a 4♠ bid would seem to be an offer to play there in any case, so 5♣ looks clearcut.
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Posted 2008-May-20, 21:43

I would like bid 5♣ instead of 4♣.
it describes the hand clearly, long and good club suit , short spade.
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Posted 2008-May-20, 22:15

5C now.
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