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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-May-19, 00:53

Screens in use, butler pairs.

Scoring: IMP


The auction went undisturbed:

1♥-2NT
3♦-3♠
4♣-4NT
5♣-5♦
5♥-6♥

2NT was explained as inv+ with 4 card support
3♦ was explained as extras, no shortness
3♠ was explained as ♠shortness by N, frivolous by S
4♣ was explained as cue by N, cue, denying ♠ cue by S

the rest were standard 1430 bids, explained properly.

East lead a ♣, N took it, played a high trump, tanked for quite a while and went for the dubious line of playing a low ♥ to the T, took the ♦ return with the ace, ruffed a diamond high, finessed hearts and claimed.

East calls you, the TD, after the board and tells you they were mislead by the explanation of "shortness" and that this particular declarer might have gone down after a ♠ lead. You ask NS for a system file, and they give one to you.

-2NT is described as inv+ with 4 cards, denies a source of tricks and may only have shortness if too strong for a 10-13 or 13-16 splinter.
-3♠ is described as ♠ shortness, exactly limit raise values.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 01:19

It seems that the opening lead was made by East who, on the same side of the screen as North, was not misinformed.

What's the problem?

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Posted 2008-May-19, 02:22

Does "3♠ shows shortness" mean a singleton or void in spades, or a singleton or void somewhere, or something else?

East appears to be claiming that with different (incorrect?) information he would have lead a spade. I don't buy it.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 02:31

sorry, fixed my original post. spade shortness
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Posted 2008-May-19, 03:29

Is there a definition what shortness means? I would say 2 cards are a shortness.
Seems that NS play mini splinter so that a direct 3♠ would have shown a single/void there. Maybe that should have been disclosed as well.

But I don't see a misinformation here.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 06:16

There was not misinformation.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 13:57

Jlall, on May 19 2008, 07:16 AM, said:

There was not misinformation.

If there was no MI, then East doesn't have a case. Result stands.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 22:27

Isn't this just a case of not bidding what your agreement is, and that is allowed, right? And as long as the explanation matches the cc then there is no problem. Partner is fooled right along with the opps.
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Posted 2008-May-20, 23:42

Yep, east had the right information so east has no case.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-20, 23:55

Very good thanks Han, we were waiting for that. :)
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