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Another late night- 15

Poll: YOUR CHOICE (21 member(s) have cast votes)

YOUR CHOICE

  1. PASS (2 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  2. DOUBLE (12 votes [57.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  3. 4H (6 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  4. OTHER (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

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#1 User is offline   mike777 

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Posted 2008-May-15, 15:37

Scoring: IMP

(3S)=P=P=?

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Posted 2008-May-15, 15:42

Anything could be right.

My choice is Double. Correct 4♦ to 4♥.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 15:54

Tough hand

4♥ looks like my call. Wrong when we belong in diamonds, notrump or on defence...but we can't always get to diamonds when we belong there and we will rarely get to hearts on a 5-3

Double: gets us past this round. Gets us to 3N when it is right, and when it is wrong, but it will usually be as good as anything if he bids it. Gets us on defence.. when it is right and when it is wrong. We can pull 4♦, but does that show this hand? I don't think so.. I think it shows a better hand, altho the shape may be much the same. And 5♦ is still a legal call over my double.

Pass: there are worse things than missing a nv game.... but it still hurts to go -140 when you have +420 available. The only thing pass has going for it is that we are not going to be -500 or more, which may be the best result possible if we bid.

I bid 4♥... it is putting all my eggs in one basket, but it is the most attractive basket I own.

4♥100 double 90 pass 80: it is close : B)
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Posted 2008-May-15, 15:56

Tough one. I think I would recommend pass, but personally I would double B) If I'm going to reopen there is just no way I'm giving up on both 3♠X and 3NT.

Edit: Just adding if partner bids 3NT it could easily be wrong. If partner passes the double though, well nothing in life is guaranteed but I'll be very very happy.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 15:58

4♥ but I'd like a read on RHO 1st.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 15:59

Between bidding 4♥ and doubling it is not close for me, I much prefer double (and bid 4♥ over 4♦, and pass 5♦ obviously). The real problem is between double and pass, I think I double.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 16:03

I also double. Only loss vs 4♥ seems to be missing a 5-3 ♥ fit. I know that's quite possible, but seems more ways to win with double.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 16:08

Double
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Posted 2008-May-15, 16:38

jdonn, on May 15 2008, 04:56 PM, said:

Edit: Just adding if partner bids 3NT it could easily be wrong. If partner passes the double though, well nothing in life is guaranteed but I'll be very very happy.

For at least a little while.

B)
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Posted 2008-May-15, 17:22

ArtK78, on May 15 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

Anything could be right.

My choice is Double.  Correct 4♦ to 4♥.

We agree. I'll post a similar hand from a couple days ago a bit later and will value the advice here.

I just don't see the ♥ suit as good enough for 4♥ and we could belong in ♣ or PD could have a penalty pass.

This hand is a good case for a read on RHO, assuming you can get a good one.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 17:25

neilkaz, on May 15 2008, 03:22 PM, said:

This hand is a good case for a read on RHO, assuming you can get a good one.

There are many more hands where if lefty opened 2♠ that RHO would have a problem than if lefty opens 4♠. It will be pretty rare that righty will have a hand to act over 4♠, so I can't imagine getting a read on them easily at all.
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Posted 2008-May-15, 18:33

I vote for 4♥.

I think partner has either too little to bid anyway or something a bit better but not enough to either warrant a double of his own or 3N, so is possibly sitting with a fair but not good hand with a little something in spades.

RHO did not fancy bidding, so does not have either a pre-emptive or constructive raise, but is probably somewhere in between.

This leaves LHO with what is quite probably a solidish looking pre-empt and 3♠ is a make like as not given that RHO probably has a reasonable hand.

Therefore I don't see pass as an option, nor do I really relish 3♠* or 3N. That leaves 4♥ which quite possibly has chances or will be something they can't double and score better than 3S making.

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Posted 2008-May-15, 18:37

ArtK78, on May 15 2008, 05:38 PM, said:

jdonn, on May 15 2008, 04:56 PM, said:

Edit: Just adding if partner bids 3NT it could easily be wrong. If partner passes the double though, well nothing in life is guaranteed but I'll be very very happy.

For at least a little while.

:)

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Posted 2008-May-15, 21:09

I like 4H.
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Posted 2008-May-16, 01:55

For Mikes reasons I agree with the Bridge Bella. Or was it Balla?
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Posted 2008-May-16, 06:07

I don't think double-then-4H shows extras, just hearts and clubs (in the protective position, anyway). I double.
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Posted 2008-May-16, 06:25

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I don't think double-then-4H shows extras, just hearts and clubs (in the protective position, anyway). I double.


Agree with this. Pass could be successful too, btw. But bridge is a bidder's game...
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Posted 2008-May-16, 06:58

I dunno.... I ran a sim with this hand and what I thought were sensible constraints for the other three hands. Yeah yeah, I know sims are not real people etc etc. However, for what it is worth, 3♠ was more often than not a make - so doubling and leaving it is generally a bad idea even at MP, let alone IMP, 3N was almost never a make and 4♥ often did make or was one off against a 3♠ make.

The main liability seemed to me that bidding anything pushes them into a making 4♠ that they would have missed without your help.

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Posted 2008-May-16, 08:14

Don't understand this. If you are going to bid, and I would, why not bid 4C non leaping leaping Michaels?
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Posted 2008-May-16, 08:19

The_Hog, on May 16 2008, 09:14 AM, said:

Don't understand this. If you are going to bid, and I would, why not bid 4C non leaping leaping Michaels?

Because we're in the BIL forum?
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