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4H cue or natural?

#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2008-May-07, 14:49

IMP's
P-(2C)-DBL-(2S)
3D-(P)-4C-(P)
4H-(P)-??
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2C=weak with both majors or something strong
DBL over 2C=shows C, but no clear agreement with partner if it also shows desire to DBL a major and not clear if DBL of 2S would be takeout or penatly (probably takeout).
2S=preference for S
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What is 4H and what do you call with your hand : Qxx=AJxx=v=AKJxxx
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Posted 2008-May-07, 15:56

Why did I bid 4 and not 3? I thought partner didn't hear me the first time?

Now I think I'm screwed. I've shown a much stronger hand than I actually have. I think that anything higher than 4 is going down, so I may as well pass. 4 should have a small shot.
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Posted 2008-May-07, 16:16

Pass, I guess. If pard wanted to cue or something, tell him to bid spades afterwards.
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Posted 2008-May-07, 16:27

Ghostbusters!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-May-07, 16:49

jtfanclub, on May 7 2008, 04:56 PM, said:

Why did I bid 4 and not 3? I thought partner didn't hear me the first time?

I have to agree. Didn't we already show clubs? And we can make a cheap bid to show an unbid major?
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-May-08, 00:43

I showed a club onesuiter so far and surely denied any heart length.
So 4 Heart could not be to play. Pd did bid Diamonds first, so he must have a 6-5 hand in the reds to make 4 Heart natural. Possible, but not likely. And I would guess that he may had opened a hand that is strong enough to bid 4 Heart on a possible misfit. ( I bet Koen has some weird two suiter openings in his repertoire.)

I go with the idea that 4 Heart is forwardgoing and shows a control. I have nothing to add and settle for 5 Club. I play pd for something around Jx, Kx,QJxxxx,Qxx so that I may survive. (Hope dies last)
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Posted 2008-May-08, 00:53

Hi,

4H is a cue, 4C did set trumps.

For that matter overcall 3C the next time
and make your life easier.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-May-08, 01:42

well , just ask yourself what your pt knows

you hold club length
you don't hold hearts [ cheap bid of 3 hearts was available ]
the opener had weak major 2 suiter
you can't support diamonds
you know opener has the weak major 2 suiter

therefore 4 hearts was ?
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Posted 2008-May-08, 16:13

Scoring: IMP

P-(2C)-DBL-(2S)
3D-(P)-4C-(P)
4H-All Pass :P
(4H-3, -11 IMP's)
..It would have been easier if I had bid 3H iso 4C, If my partner had bid 4C iso 3D, 4S iso 4H...
But I have 2 more questions and would appreciate you advice:
1. Do you have any rules - beside logic - to determine that 4H is cue and not natural (I expected some 2=4=6=2, LHO did preference S and could be short in H?).
2. How do you bid these hands to 6C?
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