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Double Trouble part 2
#2
Posted 2008-May-19, 10:21
>> Agree with bidding?
It's ok.
>> What is 4♥?
Some sort of club cue, I guess.
>> What now?
5♣. Got nothing but clubs, no diamond control, no help in spades.. what else but 5 now??
It's ok.
>> What is 4♥?
Some sort of club cue, I guess.
>> What now?
5♣. Got nothing but clubs, no diamond control, no help in spades.. what else but 5 now??
#4
Posted 2008-May-19, 11:02
3♣ is a good call since it doesn't give up on 3N. The hand is just a little too good for a direct 4♣.
I don't know what 4♥ is (Choice of Game Q? big hand in spades (unlikely), big raise of clubs (likely)), but I doubt it really matters since I'm bidding 5♣.
I don't know what 4♥ is (Choice of Game Q? big hand in spades (unlikely), big raise of clubs (likely)), but I doubt it really matters since I'm bidding 5♣.
"Phil" on BBO
#6
Posted 2008-May-19, 11:24
We were actually a bit good for 3C, I might have cued (and got into a horribly messy auction).
4H is a cue for clubs.
I'm not entirely sure what 3S was, when 3H was available, so it must be a very good suit
Give partner
AKJx
x
Axxx
Axxx
and slam is on the spade finesse.
I would like bid 4S as a cue, but I think the auction may go wrong. I would pass the double. I don't have a heart control, but I have too good a hand to bid 5C. If partner is interested in slam I definitely have extras, if he is looking at controls in every suit he'll know what to do.
4H is a cue for clubs.
I'm not entirely sure what 3S was, when 3H was available, so it must be a very good suit
Give partner
AKJx
x
Axxx
Axxx
and slam is on the spade finesse.
I would like bid 4S as a cue, but I think the auction may go wrong. I would pass the double. I don't have a heart control, but I have too good a hand to bid 5C. If partner is interested in slam I definitely have extras, if he is looking at controls in every suit he'll know what to do.
#7
Posted 2008-May-19, 11:54
I like the auction so far, and agree that 4♥ was a cue... I'd bid 5♣ now.
'one of the great markers of the advance of human kindness is the howls you will hear from the Men of God' Johann Hari
#8
Posted 2008-May-19, 16:55
Whether 4♥ is a cue bid or a choice of games is mainly a question of philosophy, but anyone who plays it as a cue bid has the wrong philosophy. I bid 5♣.
I don't understand Frances's 4=1=4=4 example. Surely that hand would have bid 3♥?
I don't understand Frances's 4=1=4=4 example. Surely that hand would have bid 3♥?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
#9
Posted 2008-May-19, 18:16
Bidding looks fine to me. I have no aces and no interest in ♠ so I'll just bid 5♣ and hope PD's doesn't get overly excited.
Note that I could pass the X of 4♥ and then pull 4♠ to 5♣ or bid 4NT at some point, so PD should realize that from where I sit, I am not interested in slam unless he's really got the good and is control rich. I also could have XX'd 4♥ which to me shows first round control. Anyhow, I won't let us be misslead by the likely silly double of 4♥ and am happy that East didn't muddy the waters earlier with a preemptive raise in ♥.
5♣
Note that I could pass the X of 4♥ and then pull 4♠ to 5♣ or bid 4NT at some point, so PD should realize that from where I sit, I am not interested in slam unless he's really got the good and is control rich. I also could have XX'd 4♥ which to me shows first round control. Anyhow, I won't let us be misslead by the likely silly double of 4♥ and am happy that East didn't muddy the waters earlier with a preemptive raise in ♥.
5♣
#10
Posted 2008-May-19, 19:39
FrancesHinden, on May 19 2008, 12:24 PM, said:
I would like bid 4S as a cue, but I think the auction may go wrong. I would pass the double. I don't have a heart control, but I have too good a hand to bid 5C. If partner is interested in slam I definitely have extras, if he is looking at controls in every suit he'll know what to do.
I don't like cueing shortage in partner's suits anyway. 4♠ should show a spade honor if it was a cue. In this auction a 4♠ bid would seem to be an offer to play there in any case, so 5♣ looks clearcut.
Ming
--Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.
--Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.
#11
Posted 2008-May-20, 21:43
I would like bid 5♣ instead of 4♣.
it describes the hand clearly, long and good club suit , short spade.
it describes the hand clearly, long and good club suit , short spade.
#12
Posted 2008-May-20, 22:15
5C now.
- Andy -
We are all connected to each other biologically, to the Earth chemically, and to the rest of the universe atomically.
We're in the universe, and the universe is in us.
We are all connected to each other biologically, to the Earth chemically, and to the rest of the universe atomically.
We're in the universe, and the universe is in us.
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(1♥)-X-(P)-3♣
(P)-3♠-(P)-4♣
(P)-4♥-(X)-??
Do you agree with your bidding so far?
What is 4♥?
What call do you make now?