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#1 User is offline   luke warm 

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Posted 2008-May-03, 15:19

i doubt many men would do this

sportsman(?)ship
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Posted 2008-May-03, 15:30

I like the story a lot

I like to think that there are some guys who would do the same

But then there was the guy in the comments section after the story who disapproved of what was done!

Thanks for posting it.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 16:12

Great story.

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Posted 2008-May-03, 16:42

Yes, the home run was earned and the opponents did not want an undeserved victory.

I think most (but not all) bridge players feel that way too and will go out of their way to correct a mis-scored board, even when it can cost an event.

Thanks for posting the link!
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Posted 2008-May-03, 17:32

How about that, Jimmy. We are in agreement.
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Posted 2008-May-03, 18:23

Nice post Jimmy :)

maybe we just need to remember we are all human
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Posted 2008-May-03, 20:36

jillybean2, on May 3 2008, 07:23 PM, said:

Nice post Jimmy :)

maybe we just need to remember we are all human

I'm not too sure about that - I read some of the comments to that story. :)
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Posted 2008-May-03, 20:40

my approval rating is far too high... i'll look for another link :)
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Posted 2008-May-03, 22:53

It was pretty funny that in the comments, the word "therapist" was partially bleeped.
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Posted 2008-May-04, 02:37

I think those who would object would be the managers and those making money of a professional team, but I think the rule that if you hit a home-run that you still need to run it might be obsolete...

I would have given her the home run as opponent, no doubt about it.
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Posted 2008-May-04, 04:45

Gerben42, on May 4 2008, 03:37 AM, said:

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I would have given her the home run as opponent, no doubt about it.

I hope, I would as well, ... sometimes it is enough
just to mention it and to make such an suggestion,
because you dont think about this as an option.

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Posted 2008-May-04, 08:52

Gerben42, on May 4 2008, 03:37 AM, said:

I think those who would object would be the managers and those making money of a professional team, but I think the rule that if you hit a home-run that you still need to run it might be obsolete...

Nope, a couple of years ago this happened in MLB. A player hit a home run, got hurt rounding second base, and could not complete the trip to home. A pinch hitter was called upon to finish for the injured player.

The article was a bit confusing to me, but it seemed there were three options:

1) A pinch runner replaces the player who hit the ball, who then would get credit for only a single, but the runs still count for the team;

2) The runner's teammates help her around the bases, the runner would get credit for a HR, but she would be called out because her teammates assisted her and her run would not count; or

3) The opposing team helps her around the bases in which case the player who hit the ball gets credit for the HR and the run counts.

Bottom line: the runs would have counted in options 1 and 3 and the player would not have let the team/coach pick option 2. It was nice of the opposing team to help out so that the hitter could get credit for her HR, but it really made no difference to the outcome of the game (as the article seems to imply).
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Posted 2008-May-04, 10:12

i believe your option 1 is wrong...
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Posted 2008-May-04, 10:44

See below.
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Posted 2008-May-04, 11:03

The 2008 NCAA Softball rules can be found here. The relevant section (on page 105):

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8.5.3.2 If an injury to a batter-runner or runner prevents her from
proceeding to an awarded base, the ball is dead and substitution may
be made. The substitute must legally touch all awarded or missed
bases not previously touched.


Under the rules, the pinch runner would have scored.
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Posted 2008-May-04, 11:10

TimG, on May 4 2008, 12:03 PM, said:

The 2008 NCAA Softball rules can be found here. The relevant section (on page 105):

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8.5.3.2 If an injury to a batter-runner or runner prevents her from
proceeding to an awarded base, the ball is dead and substitution may
be made. The substitute must legally touch all awarded or missed
bases not previously touched.


Under the rules, the pinch runner would have scored.

Is it clear what "awarded" means?
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Posted 2008-May-04, 12:04

I imagine that the correct interpretation is what Tim says it is. For one thing, it makes sense. I took the article at face value but I did sort of wonder about the wisdom of the rule as stated/implied. Suppose the girl is seriously injured. Suppose by great effort she can still manage to get around the bases. Suppose she does, and as a result the injury gets much worse, permanently leaving her with knee problems. Clearly a player, especially young player, should never be put in the position of having to concede the score or risk serious injury. A rule that would allow a sub to complete the score, even if the player is no longer credited with the HR, makes a lot more sense.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the ump at the game gave an incorrect ruling. Or perhaps it was the journalist who botched it a bit.

No matter, really. The actions of the girls on the opposing team is of great credit to them and I imagine it is appropriate to say a good word or two about the coach and about the girls' parents as well.

My hat is off.
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Posted 2008-May-04, 13:42

you're right, ken... it is possible the ump made an incorrect ruling, but correct or not the opposing team behaved in an inspiring manner
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