[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     1♦    Pass  Pass
 1♥    2♦    3♥    Pass
 Pass  Pass  

what should 3 hearts show as a passed hand

[rogerclee]

East has a takeout double the first time.

3♥ is preemptive by default, though I could be convinced that this is not best in this particular auction; a mixed raise seems better. 3♦ is available for a strong heart raise.

West should bid 4♥ anyway.

[neilkaz]

3♥ is preemptive..I'd bid 3♦ as east to show a hand I was, for some reason, too wimpy to make a take out dbl with. Or just blast to 4♥ since that is where I'm going after PD responds 3NT..but I prefer the slow route as on a sunny day we have a small slam.

Anyhow no matter what 3♥ means, West has an easy 4♥ call.

[han]

rogerclee, on Apr 24 2008, 10:55 PM, said:

East has a takeout double the first time.

3♥ is preemptive by default, though I could be convinced that this is not best in this particular auction; a mixed raise seems better. 3♦ is available for a strong heart raise.

West should bid 4♥ anyway.

Ditto.

[the hog]

han, on Apr 25 2008, 11:23 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Apr 24 2008, 10:55 PM, said:

East has a takeout double the first time.

3♥ is preemptive by default, though I could be convinced that this is not best in this particular auction; a mixed raise seems better. 3♦ is available for a strong heart raise.

West should bid 4♥ anyway.

Ditto.

Reditto

[FrancesHinden]

Mind you, none of these auctions have got you to 6H yet, which looks a pretty good spot to me.

[andy_h]

1. East has a t/o X at first.
2. West I would balance with 2D showing majors, but don't fault 1H.
3. East then has a 3D good heart raise over 2D.
4. Over East's 3H, which may look like some sort of distributional raise.. giving West an easy 4H.
No.s 1,2, and maybe 3 can investigate slam a bit easier.

[gnasher]

South's bidding was impeccable.

[inquiry]

NS bidding was fine.

EAST made two mistakes. First, he has a clear Takeout double of 1♦. You don't have to wait to be 4-4 in the majors to make this takeout double. Second, a leap to 3♥ is not "invitational" nor "forcing" on this auction. He has a hand that, quite frankly, is too good for any bid he could make (because he made a mistake on the first round). He needs to share this good news with his partner.

Finally, WEST shape is good enough to go to game over a preemptive raise. If partner is short in spades, you can ruff spade losers in dummy to set up the long suit. If EAST is long in spades (say three or four), hope his value is spade ace or king, and plan to you lose two spades and a diamond.

[ArtK78]

What they said.

Looks like this would be a unanimous poll, if it were a poll.

[Apollo81]

How about this auction

(1♦)-X-(p)-2♦
(X)-2♥-(p)-4NT-etc

[Free]

When you have both 2NT and 3♦ available, 3♥ is PURE preemptive imo.

[dcvetkov]

If this is not a t/o double, dont know what is. he real question is how to get to 6.
I believe I would like my chances in 6 with West hand opposite t/o double and opening bid on my left ( meaning, if we need a finesse its not just 50% any more, but better).

1♦ X Pass 2♦ ( pick a major)... or is 4♦ the same with slam interest??
Pass 2H 4♦ ( Splinter , agreeing hearts)
4NT etc..

I can think of a one more

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 East should certainly make a t/o.
#2 3H as a premptive bid is certainly standart, but
playing with a pickup partner, you should not
assume, that partner will understand this, with
no discussion all bets are off.
#3 You may or may not bid 4H after 3H, given that
we are green vs. red, and that 3H may really be
based on junk, in other words one happens to
hold 13 cards with at least 4 hearts, I dont think
pass is wrong.

Did I just kill the the unanimousity of the poll?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

I think both bidders deserved each other.

East missed a clear and easy neg. double.
Later he made a bid which is not understandable. I see not too many reasons for a preempt here, but 3 Diamond or 4 Heart are much better bids.

West has at most 5 losers. So opposite any bid he should be in game, even opposite a possible weak 3 Heart bid.

I doubt that I would reach 6 Heart after east first round pass, but there is no way to miss game after east shows some kind of life.

[mr1303]

Anyone for a pre-emptive diamond raise as South? 4 trumps, a stiff and a doubleton?

[andy_h]

mr1303, on Apr 25 2008, 12:22 PM, said:

Anyone for a pre-emptive diamond raise as South? 4 trumps, a stiff and a doubleton?

1 count, unfavourable? Not for me It would show 6-9 in my book, and generally the upper end at this vulnerability.

[han]

mr1303, on Apr 25 2008, 12:22 PM, said:

Anyone for a pre-emptive diamond raise as South? 4 trumps, a stiff and a doubleton?

Not red against white. NV certainly.

[gnasher]

mr1303, on Apr 25 2008, 06:22 PM, said:

Anyone for a pre-emptive diamond raise as South? 4 trumps, a stiff and a doubleton?

RHO's pass over 1D makes it more likely that partner is 4=4=3=2. If he is, I don't think he'll enjoy 3D much, regardless of the vulnerability. I'd pass at any vulnerability - it's one of the prices you pay for having 1C promise three cards.

[neilkaz]

han, on Apr 25 2008, 02:51 PM, said:

mr1303, on Apr 25 2008, 12:22 PM, said:

Anyone for a pre-emptive diamond raise as South? 4 trumps, a stiff and a doubleton?

Not red against white. NV certainly.

Agreed and noting that I don't see these preemptive jumps whacked often enough.