Forced preference?

#21 P_Marlowe

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Posted 2008-April-28, 10:59

han, on Apr 28 2008, 11:27 AM, said:

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OK, so what you are saying is that the auction 1H-1S-2C-2H-3S does not exist? There is no hand too strong for the 1H-1S-2C-2H-2S route that doesn't want to force to game.

I would bid 1H..2C..2S with a nice 14-count and would force to game with a 19-count. That seems a very wide range.

Well, yes in essence, thats what I am saying.

But of course you would also force to game with
a nice 18 count, and you may not always bid 2S
with a terrible 15 count.

But I am not overly exicted at playing 3S with 43 fit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

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Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)

#22 han

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Posted 2008-April-28, 14:38

FrancesHinden, on Apr 28 2008, 11:45 AM, said:

han, on Apr 28 2008, 05:39 PM, said:

I think 1H-1S-2D-2H-3C is clearly NF but that auction is simpler.

Do you?

It sounds jolly forcing to me...

The world's gone crazy, I think it's clearly NF and Frances thinks it's jolly forcing.

Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar

#23 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2008-April-28, 15:02

Comment 1: I think bidding 2C with this hand is a joke? I used to think I was like the most conservative jump shifter ever but no one has even mentioned that this is a really clear 3C bid to begin with so I guess I'm quite aggressive lol? This is 18 points with great honor location, 5431 and 3 of partner's suit. I'm all for 2C if the spades and diamonds are reversed but this hand is just way too good after a 1S bid to not be jump shifting. We make game easily opposite like, KQxxx and out etc etc. We make slam opposite a lot of hands that will not get there after our 2C bid unless we just drive it opposite a preference. I would also bid 3C easily without a black suit jack and wouldn't consider that close either.

Comment 2: Now you want to bid 2S after having bid 2C, and call that classic?!?!?! WOW! That is a very normal way to bid a hand with 3.5 less points of playing strength (some would say 4 even). You are just asking to miss game/slam bidding this way. At least bid 3S now to show a maximum non JS (even though you have more than that) with this shape.

Comment 3: I do not see how a non jump shift can make a NATURAL forcing bid opposite a hand that hasn't expressed anything extra. Maybe Frances considers the auction 1H p 1S p 2D P 2H p 3C as potentially artificial. To me it is a natural bid and thus cannot be logically forcing. Similarly I don't think 3S having bid 2C can be logically forcing since it is clearly a natural bid.

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