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#1 User is offline   Hairy_Scot 

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Posted 2008-April-28, 05:35

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1♥-p-1♠-p
2♣-p-2♥-p
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What next, and why?
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Posted 2008-April-28, 05:42

Isn't this a classic (maximum) 2♠?

I guess that opposite a solid response, as opposed to the "five spades to an honour is enough to respond" school, 3♠ has its appeal.

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Posted 2008-April-28, 05:45

2♠ seems right opposite any school.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 08:39

3S, this is too much for 2S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-28, 09:13

Yes, agree with Han.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 09:17

Do you think 3S is forcing here?
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Posted 2008-April-28, 09:26

I don't think it's forcing, after all we have denied a GF by not jumpshifting and p has not shown extras.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 09:28

I guess you have to decide to be pessimist or optimist on this hand.
For all 3S bidders, what is pd supposed to bid with 4 spades and 2 hearts? Probably 3NT, but if he is really weak, I have strong doubts that this wrongsided 3NT will make.

If he has 5 spades, yes, 4s will likely make.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 09:32

dcvetkov, on Apr 28 2008, 10:28 AM, said:

I guess you have to decide to be pessimist or optimist on this hand.
For all 3S bidders, what is pd supposed to bid with 4 spades and 2 hearts? Probably 3NT, but if he is really weak, I have strong doubts that this wrongsided 3NT will make.

If he has 5 spades, yes, 4s will likely make.

Why would it be wrong sided? Wouldn't we want responder's diamond stopper in declarer's hand?
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Posted 2008-April-28, 09:33

I think 3N is more likely to be rightsided than wrongsided. P could have a positional ♦ guard.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 09:36

Hi,

I would say, the hand is worth 3C, instead of 2C.

But if you think, 2C is enough, than I would say
2S it is.

I hate it, when partners switch style in the middle
of an auction.

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Posted 2008-April-28, 09:42

3♠ - too much for 2♠.

3♠ isn't forcing per se, but pard doesn't pass very often.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 10:25

No, 3S is not forcing, I would have bid 3C if I wanted to force to game.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-28, 10:27

P_Marlowe, on Apr 28 2008, 10:36 AM, said:

Hi,

I would say, the hand is worth 3C, instead of 2C.

But if you think, 2C is enough, than I would say
2S it is.

I hate it, when partners switch style in the middle
of an auction.

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OK, so what you are saying is that the auction 1H-1S-2C-2H-3S does not exist? There is no hand too strong for the 1H-1S-2C-2H-2S route that doesn't want to force to game.

I would bid 1H..2C..2S with a nice 14-count and would force to game with a 19-count. That seems a very wide range.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-28, 10:32

han, on Apr 28 2008, 08:25 AM, said:

No, 3S is not forcing, I would have bid 3C if I wanted to force to game.

Um what? I don't think 3♣ is stronger than 3♠, since it shows a 5-5 which will have more playing strength than a 3=5=1=4. 3♣ is not forcing.

Furthermore, we aren't broke when we bid 2♠, so 3♠ shows extraaaas.

Now 3♦ can potentially be a strong bid. I'd say thats forcing to 3♥.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 10:34

Han was refering to an immediate 3♣. Of course 3♣ is you 3rd turn is not forcing.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 10:38

pclayton, on Apr 28 2008, 11:32 AM, said:

han, on Apr 28 2008, 08:25 AM, said:

No, 3S is not forcing, I would have bid 3C if I wanted to force to game.

Um what? I don't think 3♣ is stronger than 3♠, since it shows a 5-5 which will have more playing strength than a 3=5=1=4. 3♣ is not forcing.

Furthermore, we aren't broke when we bid 2♠, so 3♠ shows extraaaas.

Now 3♦ can potentially be a strong bid. I'd say thats forcing to 3♥.

3♠.

Now that we know partner has at least 2 hearts, he can't have 4 small spades and random garbage since that hand passes or bids 1NT forcing.

We need to bid 3♠ to get to the game facing SQxxxx and the HJ and some other random card.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 10:39

Yes indeed. I am not sure about 1H-1S-2C-2H-3D btw, I think 1H-1S-2D-2H-3C is clearly NF but that auction is simpler.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 10:45

han, on Apr 28 2008, 05:39 PM, said:

I think 1H-1S-2D-2H-3C is clearly NF but that auction is simpler.

Do you?

It sounds jolly forcing to me...
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Posted 2008-April-28, 10:49

FrancesHinden, on Apr 28 2008, 11:45 AM, said:

han, on Apr 28 2008, 05:39 PM, said:

I think 1H-1S-2D-2H-3C is clearly NF but that auction is simpler.

Do you?

It sounds jolly forcing to me...

Not me. Opener is already limited so why can't responder pass a descriptive bid if it seems right? He could still be 4225 and quite weak.
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