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So Many Easy Polls!

Poll: So Many Easy Polls! (52 member(s) have cast votes)

So Many Easy Polls!

  1. Forcing (36 votes [69.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.23%

  2. NF, Invitational (16 votes [30.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

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Posted 2008-April-27, 18:28

Uncontested

1♣ - 1♥
2♥ - 3♣

3♣ is?
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Posted 2008-April-27, 19:38

A nice treatment for the unspoken question is for 2NT, or 2♠ if you will, to be a general GT, with partner's 3♣ showing 3-card support and, for me, a too-weak-to-reverse problem pattern. Here, 1345. That could be passed.
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Posted 2008-April-27, 20:23

std is FORCING, but many either don't know it, or prefer nf anyway. I definitely prefer forcing.
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Posted 2008-April-27, 21:27

F1.
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Posted 2008-April-27, 22:40

pclayton, on Apr 27 2008, 09:27 PM, said:

F1.

I play like to F1 and invitational+ in ♥ although could have intentions in ♣ as well, but for sure can't be passed to play 3♣
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Posted 2008-April-27, 23:12

I prefer NF and luckily that's what I play. Well actually, I play that:

1C - 1D (= hearts)
2H (shows 4) - 3C

is forcing but

1D - 1H
2H - 3D

is not forcing.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 00:30

Forcing, trial bid.

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Posted 2008-April-28, 02:38

In standard methods (on either side of the Atlantic) it is forcing. We think this sufficiently standard that we alert our 3C bids, because we play it as non-forcing (2S would have been a forcing relay).
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Posted 2008-April-28, 02:55

I think the standard meaning is non-forcing in the UK. In North America I'd assume it was forcing, because everything is.

If 2H promises four-card support, 3C is obviously forcing, so that probably makes it forcing in much of continental Europe.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 03:02

Nonforcing unless you never raise on 3 cards.

If you have a minimum and have raised on 3-card support, that is the hand to pass 3♣.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 12:28

In several partnerships I play transfers, and 1♣ - 1♦ - 2♥ show 4-card support. And 1♣ could be short (2+). So 3♣ is obviously forcing, whether it shows a suit or not.

In one partnership (no transfers) 3♣ is a short suit game try, thus forcing.

With a pick-up I'd expect it to be natural NF.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 14:31

han, on Apr 28 2008, 06:12 AM, said:

I prefer NF and luckily that's what I play. Well actually, I play that:

1C - 1D (= hearts)
2H (shows 4) - 3C

is forcing but

1D - 1H
2H - 3D

is not forcing.

Exactly, that's what we play also. Yet another reason for playing T-Walsh.

It's nice to have a way to stop in 3♣ when opener could have raised on 3, but there seems to be no way to do that in "standard".

Just a reality check: 2NT would be forcing in standard as well, right?
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Posted 2008-April-28, 14:44

Funny. In a thread some time ago, I suggested that 3♣ would be non-forcing and was jeered at by one and all. Apparently, it is not so uncommon to play it as nonforcing.

I play 1m-1M-2M-2NT as an asking bid - How many cards in support of M and minimum or maximum? 3♣ is minimum with 3 card support, 3♦ is maximum with 3 card support, 3♥ is minimum with 4 card support and 3♠ is maximum with 4 card support. In this context, 3♣ can be passed if there is a possible club fit, and 3♦ over 3♣ would be nonforcing if opener's first bid was 1♦.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 14:54

ArtK78, on Apr 28 2008, 03:44 PM, said:

Funny. In a thread some time ago, I suggested that 3♣ would be non-forcing and was jeered at by one and all.

I'd like to see this thread. Could you give a link?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-28, 15:05

Def forcing in standard bridge to me. As is 2N. As is everything. In my preferred methods first step would ask and the 3 card minimum raises would bid one of the first 2 steps so that you can stop in 3C still, and 3C would be a natural game/slam try with 5 hearts.

If 3C is not forcing and you play no other methods all of your other game tries will lose their integrity since one of your normal game tries is missing. That will make your game try auctions less accurate. That's not the worst thing ever, and maybe worth it to be able to play 3C opposite a 3 card raise, but to me the bigger problem is when you have slam tries. You might well need to get back to openers minor, and you want to be able to develop those auctions as naturally as possible. I wouldn't be willing to lose accuracy in my slam bidding to be able to play in 3C.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 08:03

If your 2M can be 3 cards and an unbalanced hand, then there's a case for 3♣ to be a NF correction. Without agreement, it's definitely forcing.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 11:38

If you raise with 3 cards with any frequency, it is very good to be able to play in opener's minor if responder's 4-card major is weak. I agree with Justing that working this into your 1 step relay is better than making 3 of opener's minor NF. But using the one step relay for the forcing bid of 3 of opener's minor should also be playable.
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