[jtfanclub]

FrancesHinden, on Apr 28 2008, 09:20 AM, said:

No, but wouldn't you on

Q1098
xxxx
Qx
KQx

you can't pass...


I agree that given you are looking at AKJ of spades partner is hugely likely to have five. But I was disagreeing with the premise that the auction 1H x 2H 2S promises five spades in general.

That hand I X on. I would X on any 10+ with no suit and no stopper, and I consider that to be 'no suit'.

If it were....

AKJT
xxxx
Qx
xxx

yeah, I might consider that a 5 card suit, you are right.

[benlessard]

4D is lame. Do you expect partner to cuebid 4H ? or to bypass 4S with xx in H?

4H is a much better bid then 4D not close at all.

[Apollo81]

rogerclee, on Apr 27 2008, 03:48 PM, said:

1) Agree
2) Agree
3) Agree
4) Forcing. I think it is normal for this to be NF when partner has not shown values and F when it has.

agree

[benlessard]

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Bidding your 7 card suit is lame? Maybe you belong in diamonds. Maybe partner will in fact cuebid and you can bid a slam. Maybe partner will rebid spades with 5 of them and you can get to spades. 4H agreeing spades in what may well be a 4-3 fit rather than bidding your 7 card suit seems "lame"

The chance that 5D is better contract then 4S is marginal (my guess under 2%) partner rate to have 5 of them 80%+ and the 4-3 fit should play well anyway. I dont really see how you can expect to reach slam after a 4D bid. If partner rebid 4S im pretty sure you cannot make a further move. If he bid 4H the ♥K is wasted and im not sure he will like having a badly placed ♥K. If you think the hand has little slam potential then 4D to reach the best game make sense. But for slam 4D will not work.

4H for me is still keeping a very very slim chance of getting to 6D instead of 6S. The way i play my 5Nt pick a slam ill be able to get to 6D instead of 6S if partner got ♠Txxx and ♦Qxx.

[jdonn]

benlessard, on Apr 30 2008, 04:04 AM, said:

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Bidding your 7 card suit is lame? Maybe you belong in diamonds. Maybe partner will in fact cuebid and you can bid a slam. Maybe partner will rebid spades with 5 of them and you can get to spades. 4H agreeing spades in what may well be a 4-3 fit rather than bidding your 7 card suit seems "lame"

The chance that 5D is better contract then 4S is marginal (my guess under 2%) partner rate to have 5 of them 80%+ and the 4-3 fit should play well anyway.

LOL, so this means you think if partner has exactly four spades, you want to be in spades instead of diamond 9 out of 10 times (18% out of the 20%). And even that is assuming that if partner has five spades you want to be in spades 100%!!! of the time instead of diamonds! You don't further your point along by making up random and completely unrealistic numbers and just throwing them around like they mean anything.

[FrancesHinden]

benlessard, on Apr 30 2008, 10:04 AM, said:

4H for me is still keeping a very very slim chance of getting to 6D instead of 6S. The way i play my 5Nt pick a slam ill be able to get to 6D instead of 6S if partner got ♠Txxx and ♦Qxx.

I can't really believe that if you bid 4H here to agree spades, and then do some cue-bidding/signing-off and then jump to 5NT pick-a-slam later, then partner is going to work out you have a 7-card side suit you haven't bothered to bid yet.

I almost never play 5NT as pick-a-slam anyway, so it's not my problem.

[benlessard]

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LOL, so this means you think if partner has exactly four spades, you want to be in spades instead of diamond 9 out of 10 times (18% out of the 20%). And even that is assuming that if partner has five spades you want to be in spades 100%!!! of the time instead of diamonds! You don't further your point along by making up random and completely unrealistic numbers and just throwing them around like they mean anything.

5D diamond is a better contract only when 4S fail & 5D makes. When both fail or both make its irrelevant. Im making a slam try to try to reach 6S so i honestly think i wont go down in 4S. + only the case when 4S goes down but 5D make are counting so under 2% look like a conservative estimate. As for the 80% of having 5S or more my experience tell me that all four players are showing values & i have load of extras = distribution all over the place.

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I can't really believe that if you bid 4H here to agree spades, and then do some cue-bidding/signing-off and then jump to 5NT pick-a-slam later, then partner is going to work out you have a 7-card side suit you haven't bothered to bid yet.

I dont care about showing a 7 card suit all i want is to reach the best contract. Trust me ill reach 6D when ♠Txxx or worse (maybe even Qxxx) and ♦Qxx or better. Suggesting another trump suit need a decent 5 bagger or a 6 bagger.

[gnasher]

jtfanclub, on Apr 28 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

You wouldn't bid 2♠ in comp. with

QT98
xxxx
Kxx
xx

would you?

I would.

[jdonn]

gnasher, on May 1 2008, 02:38 AM, said:

jtfanclub, on Apr 28 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

You wouldn't bid 2♠ in comp. with

QT98
xxxx
Kxx
xx

would you?

I would.

I would EASILY, not even close.