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A bidding problem.

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Posted 2008-April-27, 13:47

han, on Apr 27 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

For what it is worth, I asked two more strong players what they would do and both bid 3C. One offered 2NT as only reasonable alternative.

Has anyone provided a difference between these two auctions:

2♣...2NT...(3♦)...3♥
2♣...X...(3♦)...3♥

I could imagine that 2NT shows 6-4 either way and that X implies 4-3/3-4/3-3 in the reds. But, it seems to me that the principles of the game seem to suggest some bid that assures partner of the heart suit.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 02:45

kenrexford, on Apr 27 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

But, it seems to me that the principles of the game seem to suggest some bid that assures partner of the heart suit.

That's why I suggested that 2NT promise hearts, and double be used with diamonds, 1336, etc.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 03:42

There are 9 type of hands where you want to bid.

Long clubs
long clubs + H
long clubs+ D
long clubs + tol for both red.

These 4 categories can be in the weakish form with distribution or in the strongish form with extras defensive values.

The is also a 9th type of hands a strongish balanced hand with 5 clubs 3235/3325 with no S stopper.

There is 2 major style depending if a X would show extras values.

I believe that keeping the option for partner to pass 2Sx is essential if partner as long spades and limited values. So for me the X should clearly show some extras defensives values & that doubling with a weak distributionnal hand is out of the question.

So for that style.
X show extra defensive values (without perfect shapes) . partner can pass the X and he should use 2nt as a scramble as much as possible.
X and correcting show unperfect shapes. But with extras values
2Nt as to be reserved for distributionnal 2 suiters with no extra defensive values.
2Nt and correcting show C+H
3C can be weakish or strongish.
3D & 3H are very rare bids.


If you allow the X to be weakish then

X show perfect shapes or hearts or a very strong hand. Partner can only pass with a real trap and can use 2Nt as a lebensohl to show some values.


2Nt can be used to show a specific suit (because X and correcting to 3H doesnt show extras)
3C can be weakish or strongish
3D & 3H are rare bids.
Reversing 2Nt to show heart and X guarrantee diamond is a possibility.
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Posted 2008-April-28, 06:58

hmm idk.. without discussion 2NT, X and 3H may seem like 4D, 1336 and 6-5 respectively.
Don't mind either 3C or 3H i suppose
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Posted 2008-April-28, 07:11

3♥. Natural is beautiful.
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