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A bidding problem.

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Posted 2008-April-26, 17:13

All red, 12-board team match.

x
QJ97
Q
AKQJxxx

(1S) - 2C - p - p
(2S) - ??
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-26, 17:18

You used to have more imagination with respect to thread titles, what happened to you, Han?
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Posted 2008-April-26, 17:29

At this point there isn't right or wrong - this is the give-up hand when you do not play intermediate jump overcalls and choose weak jump overcalls.

I am not saying one is better than the other, just that if playing intermediate, you could have bid 3C then 4C over 3S and got across the message.

As it stands now, it looks like 2C, 3C, 4C will have to do the job.
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Posted 2008-April-26, 17:30

helene_t, on Apr 26 2008, 06:18 PM, said:

You used to have more imagination with respect to thread titles, what happened to you, Han?

That wasn't this boring Han, guy. That was someone called Hannie who doesn't post anymore.
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Posted 2008-April-26, 17:31

3♥ WTP.
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Posted 2008-April-26, 17:33

3♥ but I don't think it's wtp.
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Posted 2008-April-26, 17:49

Interesting problem, despite the boring title.

The options I see (some not relevant, but included for discussion reasons):

X: flexible; might convert 3♦ to 3♥.
2NT: 6-4 minors
3♣: Bunch o' damn clubs
3♦: HUGE 6-4 minors
3♥: HUGE 6-4 heart/clubs, but no so notrumpy
3♠: Inviting 3NT, willing to play 4♣, problem (heart suit)
3NT: Inviting 3NT, willing to play 4♣, problem (heart suit), spade card

If this list is right, I think X looks right.

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Posted 2008-April-26, 19:34

kenrexford, on Apr 27 2008, 06:49 AM, said:

[Disclaimer: I'm on my third glass of pinot grigio.]

Whose Pinot Grigio? Have you tried Hofstaetter's from the Alto Adige?

Btw I bid 3H, but I don't like it.
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Posted 2008-April-27, 02:26

There's a good case for playing 2NT here as showing hearts, with double taking care of the 6331s, hands with four diamonds, etc.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-27, 05:07

I dont have enough defense for X 2S im too afraid partner passes. 2Nt to show a 6-4 is perfect for this hand partner will probably bid 3D and ill correct to 3H. I cant see any problem with this hand.
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Posted 2008-April-27, 05:27

edit: duplicate post
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Posted 2008-April-27, 05:33

benlessard, on Apr 27 2008, 12:07 PM, said:

I dont have enough defense for X 2S im too afraid partner passes. 2Nt to show a 6-4 is perfect for this hand partner will probably bid 3D and ill correct to 3H. I cant see any problem with this hand.

The problem is that 2NT is usually taken to mean 4-6 in the minors.
If you happen to have an agreement with partner that isn't the meaning, that's fine, but otherwise your problem is going to be an auction continuing

2NT 3S 4D x
?

I am also a reluctant 3H bidder
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Posted 2008-April-27, 05:59

The_Hog, on Apr 26 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Apr 27 2008, 06:49 AM, said:

[Disclaimer: I'm on my third glass of pinot grigio.]

Whose Pinot Grigio? Have you tried Hofstaetter's from the Alto Adige?

Cosentino Winery in Napa. Not bad.
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Posted 2008-April-27, 06:00

Without agreement, I'd assume that 2NT showed four of either red suit. This still has problems:
- LHO may bid 3♠ in front of partner.
- Even if he doesn't, partner may bid 3♣ with a 3=5=3=2 shape, leaving us no better placed than before.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-27, 09:30

3♥ for me too.
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Posted 2008-April-27, 09:43

3♥ for me as well !
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Posted 2008-April-27, 09:50

3C, a little bit boring.

I am pretty sure my regular partner would
bid 3H.

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Posted 2008-April-27, 10:40

double. flexible.
tough problem.

As a side note I may have started with x over 1s.
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Posted 2008-April-27, 12:55

For what it is worth, I asked two more strong players what they would do and both bid 3C. One offered 2NT as only reasonable alternative.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-27, 13:13

I'd bid 3♣
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